Is anyone AGAINST a college football playoff?

[Phishfan]

You wouldn't be interested in the games that replaced them?  Sounds like the best of both worlds, keep the NCAA college football fan while adding those people who just like to watch NCAA tournament games like March Madness.

If they contract the bowl games into only a playoff they never would add enough playoff teams to equate to the same number of games. That is my point. I do not want the number of games contracted. it definitely wouldn't be the best of both worlds in that scenario.

[Phishfan]

meaningless bowl games

The use of meaningless is out of hand. Maybe you don't care but that doesn't make them meaningless, unless you take the position that this is just a game played for entertainment which makes them all meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

[EKnight]

Well, it went somewhere. Sorry I accused you. Either way, though, my original point still stands- I believe that there's too many bowl games as it is, thus, my argument about academic integrity doesn't ring hollow- it makes perfect sense. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

Disagree.  Bowl games are 1 game being played when school is not in session anyway.  How do you intend to play a tournament in the course of 2 weeks between final exams and Christmas?

The first bowl of the 2011-2012 bowl season was the New Mexico Bowl on December 17.
The last bowl of the 2011-2012 bowl season was the BCS National Championship on January 9.
You can't figure out how to schedule one extra game for 4 teams over 4 weeks?

Oh, F Christmas, right because these kids are professionals and have a job to do.  Oh, wait, right, they're not.

You do realize that there were 13 bowl games on 12/24, 12/26, 12/31, and 1/2, right?

You also realize that somehow, Division I-AA (and every other level of collegiate sports) somehow magically makes time for a playoff, right?  Do they simply not care about their students' academic standing at non-Division I-A schools?

[EKnight]

How do the smaller schools do it? They seem to have no problems with it. D3 starts their playoffs the last week of November and are done before Christmas. Their academic calendar is LESS disrupted than the BCS schools. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

The use of meaningless is out of hand. Maybe you don't care but that doesn't make them meaningless, unless you take the position that this is just a game played for entertainment which makes them all meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I call them "meaningless" in the same sense and to the extent that I call NFL preseason games "meaningless."

[MaineDolFan]

Well, it went somewhere.

It was moved to the trashcan by a global mod because that moderator (not me) felt it was an attack.

Keep the threads on target and not personal people, please.  All of you.  Thanks.

[Landshark]

The current bowl system is a joke. It is based on fan draw as opposed to the best teams or match-ups. I see you conveniently leave out the fact that the bowl games are full of 6-6 or 7-5 teams to fill up the ridiculous amount of bowls there are.

I have to agree with this statement.  A perfect example was the Gator Bowl.  Florida and Ohio State, two 6-6 teams, had NO BUSINESS being in a premier New Years Day bowl game.    Bowl games are supposed to be rewards for successful seasons.  A 6-6 record with two wins against Division 1-AA schools is not success.

[Phishfan]

I call them "meaningless" in the same sense and to the extent that I call NFL preseason games "meaningless."

Well they are actually part of the team's record, where NFL preseason games are not counted toward the record at all.

[Dave Gray]

In terms of sports, that's the way the word meaningless is used.

...just like the NFL games are meaningless when both teams are out of the playoffs and have locked up their draft spots.

But, I'm still not hearing anyone stand up against a playoff.  Don't play contrarian.  Is anyone AGAINST a playoff?  You can't really be conditionally against it, because we don't know how those conditions will evolve.  Do you feel that a playoff is required to fix the system or do you prefer the current system?

[Pappy13]

If they contract the bowl games into only a playoff they never would add enough playoff teams to equate to the same number of games. That is my point. I do not want the number of games contracted. it definitely wouldn't be the best of both worlds in that scenario.

That's not what is being proposed. The existing bowl games would all happen as they do today, the only thing that would change is that certain bowls would be decided by the rankings of the teams involved much like the National Championship game is decided today.  One bowl game would be #1 against #4 and another bowl game would be #2 against #3. Winners of those 2 games then play one more game to determine the National Championship. That's the "And 1" system.  That's a "playoff" system while maintaining the existing bowl games. Some are suggesting that could later be expanded to a "and 2" system where the top 8 teams enter bowl games and the winners of those games play and then the winners of those games play.

[Phishfan]

In terms of sports, that's the way the word meaningless isover used.

[Phishfan]

That's not what is being proposed. The existing bowl games would all happen as they do today, the only thing that would change is that certain bowls would be decided by the rankings of the teams involved.  One bowl game would be #1 against #4 and another bowl game would be #2 against #3. Winners of those 2 games then play one more game to determine the National Championship. That's the "And 1" system.  That's a "playoff" system while maintaining the existing bowl games.

There are may proposals out there. Just because this is one of them doesn't make it the only one. Everyone has a suggestion. One thing seems apparent though, after the current contract ends, there will be a change in college football.

[Pappy13]

^^It's the most likely scenario. I don't think anyone really believes you're going to just get rid of the current bowl system and replace it with a playoff system in one fell swoop. It's going to have to be a gradual thing, like the above system where people are gradually weened off the bowl system and into a playoff system.

Would you be against and "And 1" system? If so, why? It would actually increase the number college games played by 1, not reduce it.

[Phishfan]

I don't want to give the impression I am against a playoff. My only stance is I don't want the number of games played contracted.