Trayvon Martin case

[CF DolFan]

^^^^^ but guilty or not, the burden of proof is on proving his guilt and not his innocence. If his testimony is all they have to say Martin started  it, then they need proof otherwise. Actually even without his testimony they have to prove it.

[EKnight]

But that's NOT all they have. If it was, the whole thing wouldn't have gotten this far. -EK

[Phishfan]

But that's NOT all they have. If it was, the whole thing wouldn't have gotten this far. -EK

You are correct, they had a country in outrage.

[EKnight]

And a dead child...not sure how you're minimizing that point. -EK

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

And a dead child...not sure how you're minimizing that point. -EK

The death doesn't prove murder.  It is an element of the crime, but not the one that will be contested. 

And don't lose sight of the fact that Zimmerman doesn't have to prove that Martin started the altercation.  The DA is required to prove Zimmerman did. 

[Phishfan]

And a dead child...not sure how you're minimizing that point. -EK

I'm not minimizing it. It just has no bearing on if this was murder or self defense. Your inferrence is worlds off from what I said.

[EKnight]

The same way you implied the ONLY reason it was taken to trial was because the country was in outrage. Murder and self-defense are not the only two options. It's not that black and white; the jury can still find manslaughter. -EK

[Cathal]

^^^ I thought that the reason why everything escalated so quickly is because it got galvanized as another type of race killing, otherwise it would just be another self-defense/murder case.

[Spider-Dan]

The race part was a factor, but certainly far from "the reason."  Had Zimmerman been immediately arrested and charged, "man shoots teenager" is not a national story.

"Man shoots teenager and is not even arrested," however, is.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The race part was a factor, but certainly far from "the reason."  Had Zimmerman been immediately arrested and charged, "man shoots teenager" is not a national story.

"Man shoots teenager and is not even arrested," however, is.

Actually, neither of those were a national story.

The story was not "man shoots teenager" nor was it "man shoots teenager and not arrested"  The story was "blacks (most of whom never knew either of the people involved and live miles away) hold protests, have rallies, and issue death threats" 

[el diablo]

Actually, neither of those were a national story.

The story was not "man shoots teenager" nor was it "man shoots teenager and not arrested"  The story was "blacks (most of whom never knew either of the people involved and live miles away) hold protests, have rallies, and issue death threats" 

Really? Even though you people of all races at rallies and protesting, it was the "blacks"? I don't condone the alleged death threats. But it was the perceived mishandling of the case from the 911 call to today that made it a national story.

[badger6]

The 911 call does indeed indicate that after he was told to stop pursuit he continued. He didn't hang up the phone and you can clearly here him close his truck door and begin running. Further, in one of 8 other 911 calls, you can hear- at least according to the Martin family attorney- Martin beging for his life before he is shot. How is that defensible? -EK

Begging for his life ?? Haven't heard that one yet. But judging from the source I'm sure (ha ha) that they are 100% accurate.  I don't know you. Don't know if you are male or female, tall or short, Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic. But you seem to have made up your mind on this topic regardless of what the facts may be, even though the rest of us don't know enough of the facts to make a decision.

[badger6]

A former co worker says Zimmerman was a big racist

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-evidence_n_1528268.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D162348

LMAO, The Huffingtion Post, you gotta be kidding me. I have a link too.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/21/10791755-neighbor-comes-to-defense-of-trayvon-martins-shooter?lite

[badger6]

Well, let me put it this way:

- the case may hinge on whether or not Zimmerman initiated the altercation

If the prosecution has said that they don't know who initiated the altercation how can they prove it ?

- the only evidence indicating that Martin initiated the altercation is the defendant's own testimony

And the injuries to the defendant.

- if the testimony of the defendant, by itself, was a significant barrier to conviction, there would not be many people in jail

If that is all you have to go by, what do you suggest ? Guilty by default ? Or when a random ethnic group feels slighted ?

[badger6]

But that's NOT all they have. If it was, the whole thing wouldn't have gotten this far. -EK

The whole thing wasn't going anywhere until the racial outrage, Al and Jesse, and the media went kerouac on Zimmerman's ass. Big ass circus and a joke if you ask me !!!