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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2018, 08:45:37 am »

As bad a character that I found the botanist lady from Jurassic Park to be in Last Jedi, that light speed into the destroyer was pretty boss.

Without trying to sound like being totally miserable about the movie that's another scene I have a real problem with, mainly in regard to consistency. So in The Force Awakens Han manages to jump the Falcon into hyperspace from within another ship with absolutely no consequences whatsoever, but in this movie Holdo decimates a good part of the First Order fleet with this hyperspace jump?

The frozen-in-time explosion itself was really out of place to me too, looking like something out of Battlestar Galactica (the 2004 TV series) or Star Trek, not Star Wars.
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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 09:32:05 am »

Sorry Dave, I am with Tenshot on this one. For starters, in ESB it was Luke telepathically calling to Leia to say where he was, she had nothing to do with it. Absolutely no idea Luke was her brother as evidenced by that French kiss at Hoth (ewww, does that look awkward now!) She may have sensed Han's death, but she had absolutely no foresight that Kylo was evil enough to kill him in the first place? Then again maybe she did, and figured it was cheaper than a divorce...

So then out of nowhere after somehow using the force (like nobody ever has before) to survive the explosion on the ship's deck, the vacuum of space, and return back to the said ship, she doesn't have a clue at the end of the movie that Luke is buying time for them to escape - of all people Poe is the one who realises this and convices everyone to leave!

That's what I meant when I said earlier that at no other time in the five movies does Leia even use the force, let alone like that moment. It's far more plausible that Kylo Ren was actually the one who used the force to save Leia after the explosion on the bridge, he stopped when it came to release his torpedos and looked upset when his escorting fighters fired on the ship. Think about that as an option, it seems slightly less ridiculous.
I can get behind that and would find it pretty cool if Kylo saved her.
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 11:47:00 am »

That's what I meant when I said earlier that at no other time in the five movies does Leia even use the force, let alone like that moment.
By definition, no character in any Star Wars movie is shown using the Force before the first time they are shown using the Force.  The first time Luke is shown using the Force to pull something was when he pulled his lightsaber out of the snow in ESB, and force pulling wasn't even established as a thing then!  In ANH, it was used to trick people and to concentrate harder, not to move things around.  Then suddenly in ESB, the Force is being used to superjump and move objects.  And in TFA, the first time Rey uses the Force to pull something is when she pulls a lightsaber away from Kylo Ren... a guy skilled enough to freeze blaster bolts in place with the Force!

I mean, we all acknowledge that it's not at all surprising or unexpected that Leia is a Force user.  Would this have been easier to accept if she was previously shown using the Force to grab a coffee mug from across the room?  You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2018, 02:29:13 pm »

By definition, no character in any Star Wars movie is shown using the Force before the first time they are shown using the Force.  The first time Luke is shown using the Force to pull something was when he pulled his lightsaber out of the snow in ESB, and force pulling wasn't even established as a thing then!  In ANH, it was used to trick people and to concentrate harder, not to move things around.  Then suddenly in ESB, the Force is being used to superjump and move objects.  And in TFA, the first time Rey uses the Force to pull something is when she pulls a lightsaber away from Kylo Ren... a guy skilled enough to freeze blaster bolts in place with the Force!

I mean, we all acknowledge that it's not at all surprising or unexpected that Leia is a Force user.  Would this have been easier to accept if she was previously shown using the Force to grab a coffee mug from across the room?  You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.
Dude, she was all but dead in space and force glided to the ship.  That's crappy writing.  Even as a full on force user, that scene was lame visually.
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2018, 03:08:18 pm »

If you are going to make the argument that it was a bad scene from a cinematography point... sure?  I'm not a film major so I can't tell you.

But from the standpoint of consistency with in-universe (and on-screen) history, there is no problem with that scene.  Hell, my biggest issue with it was how she floated back to the ship and walked through an opened door without everyone in the hallway being sucked out into the void.  Does every door on the ship have the same kind of force fields that are in the hangar bays?
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2018, 04:22:44 pm »

I think you just have to let physics go in Star Wars and accept that there's some kind of shielding/gravity/pressure protection present either in their technology or in their world where they don't have Newtonian laws.

Nobody is floating around in their ships, they go outside the ship and walk around without protection, there is sound in space, there is resistance in space where you wouldn't expect, etc.
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 08:14:34 pm »

there is sound in space
On this subject: has anyone in a Star Wars movie ever "heard" an explosion in space?  I know that we, the audience, "hear" explosions that would not be able to be heard, but I don't think any of the movie characters do...?
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 08:56:16 pm »

She used the Force in TFA, feeling Han's death at the time of death.  Also, sensing good in Kylo and a bunch of other Jedi feelings-type stuff.  ...nothing as big as force levitation, but it was there.



I'll give you Han. I forgot about that. As for Kylo, I took that as her role as a mother more than the force.
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 11:39:29 pm »

By definition, no character in any Star Wars movie is shown using the Force before the first time they are shown using the Force.  The first time Luke is shown using the Force to pull something was when he pulled his lightsaber out of the snow in ESB, and force pulling wasn't even established as a thing then!  In ANH, it was used to trick people and to concentrate harder, not to move things around.  Then suddenly in ESB, the Force is being used to superjump and move objects.  And in TFA, the first time Rey uses the Force to pull something is when she pulls a lightsaber away from Kylo Ren... a guy skilled enough to freeze blaster bolts in place with the Force!

I mean, we all acknowledge that it's not at all surprising or unexpected that Leia is a Force user.  Would this have been easier to accept if she was previously shown using the Force to grab a coffee mug from across the room?  You guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

But there were obvious clues/signs that Luke, Rey and Anakin were already using the force before they were even aware of the concept, let alone be instructed about it. With Luke & Anakin it was their similar instinctive piloting abilities (as noted by Obi Wan when he was talking with Luke about his father in Tatooine), Anakin and Rey their abilities to fix things. Rey also basically learned to adapt and copy from Kylo Ren, resisting his attempt at reading her mind and turning it on him, then using the same to convince the Stormtrooper to release her.

Leia had virtually nothing in comparison before, and absolutely nothing after she managed that miraculous feat (after she came out of her coma). So the one and only time the leader of the resistance uses this great power, it's to save her own ass. Yeah, I have a major problem with that.
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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2018, 12:12:52 am »

I can get behind that and would find it pretty cool if Kylo saved her.

Problem is that it opens up a whole new set of (additional) plot holes. Surely Snoke would have sensed this weakness in Kylo Ren? Then again, he somehow did not see his betrayal coming, despite being so strong with the force he could manipulate a mind bridge between Kylo & Rey across the galaxy...

Snoke (like others) could have been a very interesting character. After seeing the Force Awakens I had serious doubts about a full CGI villian on the big screen again (after the disaster of General Grievous, and the horrible attempt at Grand Moff Tarkin) but it seemed to be working: he was so powerful manipulating things and people with the force he did not even need to get out of his chair! There was also a possible backstory there to explore: how did he become Supreme Leader from the ruins of the Empire? How did he corrupt Ben Solo? Why does he hate Luke Skywalker so much and/or why is he so afraid of him? The massive scar down his head suggests some kind of conflict that nearly killed him: did Luke do that, or was it maybe Darth Sidious/Palpatine in a previous (failed) attempt to seize power?

Andy Serkis gave this a red hot go, and I commend him for actually giving this character screen presence despite my reservations about the CGI origins. However the powers that be decided it was either all too hard, too predictible, or too lame and got rid of him. Either that or Rian Johnson & Disney wanted more prequel-like adventures to Casino planets...
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2018, 09:45:18 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 12:21:56 pm »

Hi Ben!  Hi Grandpa!  lmao that was good
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2018, 08:09:45 pm »


Haha, that is brilliant!
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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2018, 05:33:00 pm »

that was great!!
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« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2018, 05:55:15 pm »

That ending was 1000x better than the actual movie ending.
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