Is Brady really the GOAT or a goat?

[stinkfish]

So I'll come right out and admit that I'm a Patriots hater. But I'm not letting that cloud or impact my post. This is just a question coming from a football fan, and not a hater I just have this thought, and you can all let me know if I'm crazy. I think, that if Brady was on any other team, he would just be any other QB. I think that he's just a system QB. The example I've used for this is Matt Cassel. When Brady went down in '08 (?) Cassel stepped in and still won 11 for the Patriots, then went to KC where he didn't really do much of anything. There's more that I could go into this, but can't right now. I'm being watched lol

[Sunstroke]

Yep, you are, indeed, crazy. Batshit crazy even...

 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

When Brady went down the patriots won 5 less games.  Any one  player that can change your win total by 5 games in a 16 game season is not insignificant. 


And any QB who can connect with 71 different recivers for a TD can be successful in multiple systems.

However, when dividing up how much of the Patriots success has been Brady and how much is Belichick, I give the coach more of the credit than the QB.

[Tenshot13]

He's a garbage cheater...GCOAT

[CF DolFan]

I think Brady is in the conversation ... but I also think that's all any player could hope for. Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas are all worthy of putting in the conversation but there is no way of ever knowing who really is.

[Dave Gray]

I don't think Brady has the best physical tools of all time, but he certainly is difficult to rattle, is mentally prepared, understands the game, and makes few mistakes.

I thought for a few years that he was a glorified game manager, but eventually I realized how good he is.  He is one of the greatest of all time, IMO.

[BigDaddyFin]

Brady is not the Greatest of All Time.  He is one out of maybe the top 5 or top 10.  Can you see Brady bitching to the ref for a flag while Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen are taking turns on him?  How great would he be if he had to call his own plays?  Could he pull a Roger Staubach and spend 4 years in the Navy?  He is one of the greats sure.  You have to be to win that many Superbowl rings but he's not THE greatest.

[Spider-Dan]

I see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as basically improved versions of Joe Montana and Dan Marino.

[Tenshot13]

Brees GOAT

[DaLittle B]

My thoughts were I agree,with Dave,and Spider...on him being the GOAT.

I don't think he was ever the most talented QB,but it's hard to overlook his drive,competitiveness,preparations (keeping himself in shape,and working with his personal coach on his mechanic,etc)...IMO all these things can be said about Drew Brees too...(I don't know near as much about Drew,as Tom).

I also think the era,and rules of the game work in his favor,but I **personally** can penalize him for that,It's something he has no control over...

Like him or not He's won...As a Dolphins fan,I have to admire his accomplishments as a player...

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I see Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as basically improved versions of Joe Montana and Dan Marino.

I would say that is fair.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Brees GOAT

If you are going to make a case there is a contemporary QB better than Brady, Rodgers rather than Brees makes the more compelling argument. 

Outside of Brady’s phenomenal post-season success the two best arguments in his favor are low turnover rate and the fact he plays in a Northern outdoor stadium.

Not throwing an interception is more important than throwing a TD.  Rodgers is the only QB with a better int % than Brady.  One other QB is tied with Brady but is unemployed for political reasons.

Completing passes in Green Bay or NE winter is more challenging than indoors in NOLA. 

[CF DolFan]

How are they "improved"? Are you saying Brady would have had better results than Montana under the rules he played and that Manning would have been better than Marino with DBs draped all over his receivers and no running game?

[Tenshot13]

If you are going to make a case there is a contemporary QB better than Brady, Rodgers rather than Brees makes the more compelling argument. 

Outside of Brady’s phenomenal post-season success the two best arguments in his favor are low turnover rate and the fact he plays in a Northern outdoor stadium.

Not throwing an interception is more important than throwing a TD.  Rodgers is the only QB with a better int % than Brady.  One other QB is tied with Brady but is unemployed for political reasons.

Completing passes in Green Bay or NE winter is more challenging than indoors in NOLA. 

Brees has more passing yards than any other QB ever, essentially tied with Brady on most td passes, never had a defense, won a superbowl...

From wiki

NFL records
Most career passing yards
Most career pass completions
471 pass completions in a season
Highest career completion percentage
72.0 single-season completion percentage
7 touchdown passes in a game (tied)
54 consecutive games with a touchdown pass

[stinkfish]

For what it's worth, the QB that I want with the game on the line is Rodgers. I think he's maybe the best active QB in the league right now, and has been for a little bit.