Terrorists storm US Capitol building; DC National Guard activated

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Per democratic colleagues, some republican representatives thought Trump deserved to be impeached and wanted to vote to impeach but voted “no” because the feared it would result in their own murder or the murder of their family.

Let that sink in for a moment.   

[Dolphster]

Why 106 was worse than 911.

George Bush didn’t tell al Quida that he loved them.

Laura Bush didn’t send her to condolences to the family of Mohammad Atta.

No Americans cheered as the buildings burned on 911 (Even though Trump falsely claims otherwise)

What happened last week was the most horrific event in US history since  April 12, 1861.  Maybe even worse. 

Although we disagree on just about everything, I actually do admire your passion for your causes.  Most people are just ambivalent about society so it is cool that you care so much.  However, this post was some D4L level crazy talk.  What happened at the Capitol was abhorrent and it disgusted me.  But to say it was worse than 911 is letting your personal feelings get in the way of logic and understanding of history. 

[Tenshot13]

Although we disagree on just about everything, I actually do admire your passion for your causes.  Most people are just ambivalent about society so it is cool that you care so much.  However, this post was some D4L level crazy talk.  What happened at the Capitol was abhorrent and it disgusted me.  But to say it was worse than 911 is letting your personal feelings get in the way of logic and understanding of history. 

Not to mention incredibly offensive.

[Dave Gray]

But to say it was worse than 911 is letting your personal feelings get in the way of logic and understanding of history. 

Understand the context here:

This is not worse in terms of death toll or horrific suffering.

But what he's saying is that 9/11 occurred and everyone knew that it was horrible and fucked up and we all banded together to recognize how awful it was and to root that stuff out.  It came from outside, though.  Even though the result was worse, it was clearly THEM doing it to us.

This was US doing it to US.  And now, there is a lack of accountability and excusing away.  Senators went back on the floor minutes after this happened and continued the lie that led to it.  We're learning that these people were off-duty cops, sons of the elite, politicians are doing the "yeah, but whatabout"...these are people that walk among us, not a foreign invader out to destroy us.

This is "worse" in the way that someone killing their own child is worse than a random serial killer killing the whole family.

[Fau Teixeira]

Not to mention incredibly offensive.

I get where he's coming from. "worse" is a subjective measure tho, so if he feels it's worse that the president of the united states and his allies tried staging a Coup by relying on a bunch of deluded morons and deliberate deplorables then that's his opinion.

I remember 9/11 vividly, like I assume most everyone does, it was jarring in how immediate it was and how unexpected it was. Contrast that to 1/6 which was the culmination of a frog being boiled in a pot of trumpy water. It was much more gradual, so people's reactions who are in that trumpy water are much more muted. I say both were horrendous but in different ways. 9/11 wasn't unprecedented, we've been attacked out of the blue before. Oklahoma city, the twin towers in the 90s, the marine barracks in Beirut, even pearl harbor.

But what Trump did hasn't happened to this country since fort Sumpter in 1861. It was horrid not because it was effective. Ultimately a coup led by a bunch of morons was doomed to fail. It was horrid because what was attacked. Not material locations, or specific people, but the idea that we are a government of laws and a government based on free and fair elections. That's what was horrible about it. I won't point a finger at anyone that thinks it's worse than 911 or not as bad. They have that right.

[Dolphster]

Understand the context here:

This is not worse in terms of death toll or horrific suffering.

But what he's saying is that 9/11 occurred and everyone knew that it was horrible and fucked up and we all banded together to recognize how awful it was and to root that stuff out.  It came from outside, though.  Even though the result was worse, it was clearly THEM doing it to us.

This was US doing it to US.  And now, there is a lack of accountability and excusing away.  Senators went back on the floor minutes after this happened and continued the lie that led to it.  We're learning that these people were off-duty cops, sons of the elite, politicians are doing the "yeah, but whatabout"...these are people that walk among us, not a foreign invader out to destroy us.

This is "worse" in the way that someone killing their own child is worse than a random serial killer killing the whole family.

If he had phrased it the way you just did then I would have agreed with him. 

[Tenshot13]

You guys sound like a bunch of apologists.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Dave and Fau get it.

Yes, the death count was higher on 9/11:  2977 vs 1.  (or 2996 vs 6 depending on your personal beliefs on who to count).

But after 9/11 I wasn’t who worried the country was at risk.  I worried that we might have additional terrorist attacks, but I wasn’t worried our country would fall because of it. 

I wasn’t worried my neighbors were terrorists who would launch an attack. I knew even my muslim neighbors were just as horrified as I was on 9/11. I am not so sure about my neighbors that are still waiving Trump flags and have “stop the steal” yard signs. 

Nobody down played 9/11 as free speech that got out of hand.

Nobody defend bin Ladin “well he didn’t actually fly the planes into the WTC, you can’t hold him responsible for what his followers did”

I knew on 9/11 we were going to war, but I wasn’t worried it could be the end of our democracy.

We have senators and house members comparing an attempted coup to protests against police brutality. 

More people died on 9/11 and at Pearl Harbor and Oklahoma City.  And by the method I count fatalities, more innocent people died at Boston Marathon than the Capitol.  But none of those were a direct threat to our democracy.  This is the most serious threat to America since the Civil War.
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[Dave Gray]

You guys sound like a bunch of apologists.

Not sure what you mean.  Who exactly am I apologizing for?

[Spider-Dan]

The Capitol invasion was MUCH worse than 9/11.  I don't see how this is even controversial.

Are we talking about lives lost?  We lose more people than 9/11 to COVID every single day and you guys are STILL like, "We can't live our lives in fear of the virus and it's mostly old people dying anyway."  So don't give me any BS about how not enough people died at the Capitol for it to be as bad as 9/11.

At the end of the day, Pearl Harbor was worse than 9/11.  Pearl Harbor represented a powerful overseas empire directly attacking us, with the not-insignificant possibility that American citizens in the Pacific would have their homes permanently invaded by Japan.  (If Nazi Germany had decided not to attack the Soviet Union, many islands in the Pacific could have been looking at a significantly different history.)

9/11 was never a threat to the existence of the United States of America as a democratic republic.
If the Joint Chiefs had not decided to (arguably illegally) side with Pence and Congress over the President, our democracy would have ended one week ago (or we would be in a full-blown civil war).
They are not even remotely comparable events.  The Capitol invasion was far worse.

[Sunstroke]

You guys sound like a bunch of apologists.  

If you truly believe that being able to apologize (being an apologist) is a bad thing, your good/bad moral compass may need further calibration.  Same with taking the blame when the blame is yours.

Had your former fearless leader had the capacity to do either of those very human things, I believe he would still be in the WH next month.

[Tenshot13]

If you truly believe that being able to apologize (being an apologist) is a bad thing, your good/bad moral compass may need further calibration.  Same with taking the blame when the blame is yours.

Had your former fearless leader had the capacity to do either of those very human things, I believe he would still be in the WH next month.

Being an apologist to hoodie because he can't articulate a point without being offensive is what I'm referring to.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Being an apologist to hoodie because he can't articulate a point without being offensive is what I'm referring to.

Just because you were offended doesn't make my statement offensive.  Snowflake

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

“Nothing compares to any past threats; we have never had Americans fighting Americans on the streets of the nation’s capital probably since the civil war," - Deputy Commissioner of the NYPD.

I am assuming that the deputy commission of the NYPD is aware of the events of 9/11 yet he considers the current situation incomparable to anything since 1865.

[Sunstroke]

Being an apologist to hoodie because he can't articulate a point without being offensive is what I'm referring to.

I can understand that use then...but, after going back and reading his last couple of posts in this thread, I am a little curious as to which words actually offended you?