Confusing Covid link

[dolphins4life]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xJPXm4xX0

Something is not making sense here.

The omicron is supposed to be a mild variant.

This means either

1) People are lying to us

2) People are going to the hospital when they don't have to be going there when they have COVID

The people who refuse the vaccine are NEVER going to get it, no matter what.

I personally don't have a problem with it.  I also don't have a problem with the boosters.  I get a flu shot every year.  What's the big deal about a COVID one?

It's getting HARDER and HARDER for me to NOT want another massive lockdown.  This winter has been HORRID in Massachusetts.  In 2020, after the lockdown, we had a very snowy winter. 

[Spider-Dan]

Omicron is a "mild variant" if you're vaccinated.
For the unvaccinated, it's still very dangerous... and it's far more contagious.

[Pappy13]

The difference is that more people are getting Omicron than got the original virus so even though there's less chance of having to be hospitalized with Omicron so many more have it that more are actually being hospitalized. There's about 3 times the number of cases of covid being reported right now than at this time in 2021 which was the previous peak time, but fewer are dieing from it now than at that time. Hospitalizations however I think are up from Jan 2021.

No one is lying about Omicron and all those people in the hospital with covid need to be there, trust me they send you home if you have the virus and you don't need to be hospitalized. They only admit those that need to be hospitalized.

[dolphins4life]

I thought Omicron outsmarted the vaccines and got past them

[masterfins]

Omicron is a "mild variant" if you're vaccinated.
For the unvaccinated, it's still very dangerous... and it's far more contagious.

+1

[CF DolFan]

It is a much mlder varient regardless of if you are vaccinated or not. It's kind of funny that one shot would fix you but now you need 3 or 4 and while they still aren't working ... some people refuse to admit they were wrong.  

Even life long liberals are starting to figure out the Covid hysteria isn't all it's cracked up to be.

She went from a casual viewer of CNN and MSNBC to seeking out Fox News clips about the 'schools issue' on YouTube because they were the only ones covering it.

Soon, she did the unthinkable: She just turned on Fox News itself. And she realized, 'It's not what CNN claims it to be.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10428729/Lefts-Covid-hysteria-driving-wave-liberal-moms-away-Democrats-writes-BETHANY-MANDEL.html

[Spider-Dan]

It is a much mlder varient regardless of if you are vaccinated or not. It's kind of funny that one shot would fix you but now you need 3 or 4 and while they still aren't working ... some people refuse to admit they were wrong.

The overwhelming majority of people hospitalized and/or dying from COVID are unvaccinated.
The vaccines are working just fine.  If it weren't for all the unvaccinated people filling up the hospitals, we wouldn't have to care about testing vaccinated people with no symptoms, because for vaccinated people COVID is the flu, bro.

I find it incredibly ironic that we still have over 2000 unvaccinated Americans dying each day from COVID and you think it's other people who should admit they were wrong.

[CF DolFan]

The overwhelming majority of people hospitalized and/or dying from COVID are unvaccinated.
The vaccines are working just fine.  If it weren't for all the unvaccinated people filling up the hospitals, we wouldn't have to care about testing vaccinated people with no symptoms, because for vaccinated people COVID is the flu, bro.

I find it incredibly ironic that we still have over 2000 unvaccinated Americans dying each day from COVID and you think it's other people who should admit they were wrong.

Funny how I see reports that isn't the case. If unvaccinated are more at risk then states like Florida would lead the way in death rates. Add in the fact we have more olde people and it should be even higher. The reality is we are towards the bottom third. That why your even your progressive liberal politicians vacation and party here without masks. The propaganda isn't real. It's scare tactics to keep your vote. 

Covid death rates by state as of January 24th
Ohio
Deaths per 100,000: 1.3
Daily average deaths: 152.1

Alaska
Deaths per 100,000: 1.29
Daily average deaths: 9.4

New York State
Deaths per 100,000: 1.17
Daily average deaths: 227.7

Connecticut
Deaths per 100,000: 1.15
Daily average deaths: 41.1

Tennessee
Deaths per 100,000: 1.14
Daily average deaths: 77.7

Michigan
Deaths per 100,000: 1.13
Daily average deaths: 113.1

Indiana
Deaths per 100,000: 1.11
Daily average deaths: 75

Maryland
Deaths per 100,000: 1.08
Daily average deaths: 65.3

New Jersey
Deaths per 100,000: 1.08
Daily average deaths: 95.7

Illinois
Deaths per 100,000: 1.03
Daily average deaths: 130.6

Pennsylvania
Deaths per 100,000: 1.03
Daily average deaths: 131.3

Massachusetts
Deaths per 100,000: 0.96
Daily average deaths: 66.1

Missouri
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 54

Rhode Island
Deaths per 100,000: 0.88
Daily average deaths: 9.3

Delaware
Deaths per 100,000: 0.82
Daily average deaths: 8

Arizona
Deaths per 100,000: 0.81
Daily average deaths: 58.9

New Mexico
Deaths per 100,000: 0.78
Daily average deaths: 16.3

Kansas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.77
Daily average deaths: 22.6

West Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.74
Daily average deaths: 13.3

Wisconsin
Deaths per 100,000: 0.73
Daily average deaths: 42.4

South Dakota
Deaths per 100,000: 0.68
Daily average deaths: 6

Kentucky
Deaths per 100,000: 0.59
Daily average deaths: 26.1

New Hampshire
Deaths per 100,000: 0.59
Daily average deaths: 8

Louisiana
Deaths per 100,000: 0.57
Daily average deaths: 26.7

South Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 0.54
Daily average deaths: 27.7

Iowa
Deaths per 100,000: 0.53
Daily average deaths: 16.6

Nevada
Deaths per 100,000: 0.51
Daily average deaths: 15.6

Oklahoma
Deaths per 100,000: 0.48
Daily average deaths: 18.9

Vermont
Deaths per 100,000: 0.48
Daily average deaths: 3

Georgia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.46
Daily average deaths: 49

Minnesota
Deaths per 100,000: 0.46
Daily average deaths: 25.7

Mississippi
Deaths per 100,000: 0.46
Daily average deaths: 13.7

North Dakota
Deaths per 100,000: 0.45
Daily average deaths: 3.4

Montana
Deaths per 100,000: 0.44
Daily average deaths: 4.7

Idaho
Deaths per 100,000: 0.43
Daily average deaths: 7.7

Maine
Deaths per 100,000: 0.43
Daily average deaths: 5.7

Texas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.43
Daily average deaths: 124.6

Florida
Deaths per 100,000: 0.4
Daily average deaths: 86.4

North Carolina
Deaths per 100,000: 0.4
Daily average deaths: 41.4

Alabama
Deaths per 100,000: 0.38
Daily average deaths: 18.5

Colorado
Deaths per 100,000: 0.37
Daily average deaths: 21.1

Arkansas
Deaths per 100,000: 0.36
Daily average deaths: 10.9

Utah
Deaths per 100,000: 0.35
Daily average deaths: 11.3

Washington
Deaths per 100,000: 0.35
Daily average deaths: 26.9

Wyoming
Deaths per 100,000: 0.32
Daily average deaths: 1.9

California
Deaths per 100,000: 0.3
Daily average deaths: 117.4

District of Columbia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.24
Daily average deaths: 1.7

Nebraska
Deaths per 100,000: 0.21
Daily average deaths: 4.1

Hawaii
Deaths per 100,000: 0.2
Daily average deaths: 2.9

Oregon
Deaths per 100,000: 0.18
Daily average deaths: 7.6

Virginia
Deaths per 100,000: 0.11
Daily average deaths: 9.7

[Tenshot13]

I can tell you from personal experience, we have an employee who isn't vaccinated, he's a Jehovah Witness and says it's against his religion.  Anyway, his wife and him got Omicron and he was out for almost 3 weeks.  A couple of days he said he couldn't even move it was so bad.  His wife almost had to be hospitalized.  They are both in their early 30s.  My parents who are both vaccinated got Omicron.  My mom sounded like a pack a day smoker on the phone, but other than that it was like a flu for them, never any risk for hospitalization.  My dad has completely recovered while my mom is almost completely recovered.  They are both in their mid 70s.

[Spider-Dan]

Funny how I see reports that isn't the case. If unvaccinated are more at risk then states like Florida would lead the way in death rates. Add in the fact we have more olde people and it should be even higher. The reality is we are towards the bottom third. That why your even your progressive liberal politicians vacation and party here without masks. The propaganda isn't real. It's scare tactics to keep your vote.

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that these statistics are accurate and that FL has figured out some secret miracle answer for COVID.
What is your explanation for:

1) why over 2,000 Americans are still dying from COVID every day
2) why over 95% of those dying from COVID are not vaccinated

Is your solution that we need to stop wearing masks and then we won't have hospitals full of dying COVID patients?  Or what, exactly?
Seriously, this is a sincere question: what is your solution to reducing the number of deaths from COVID?  Because we have tried allowing people to Make Their Own Decisions About Vaccination and the direct result is that we have hospitals full of unvaccinated patients dying from COVID, and there does not seem to be any sort of death total where the anti-vaxxers will admit that this is actually a public health crisis.

[ArtieChokePhin]

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that these statistics are accurate and that FL has figured out some secret miracle answer for COVID.
What is your explanation for:

1) why over 2,000 Americans are still dying from COVID every day
2) why over 95% of those dying from COVID are not vaccinated

Is your solution that we need to stop wearing masks and then we won't have hospitals full of dying COVID patients?  Or what, exactly?
Seriously, this is a sincere question: what is your solution to reducing the number of deaths from COVID?  Because we have tried allowing people to Make Their Own Decisions About Vaccination and the direct result is that we have hospitals full of unvaccinated patients dying from COVID, and there does not seem to be any sort of death total where the anti-vaxxers will admit that this is actually a public health crisis.

There really is no solution.   We just have to live with the results like we did with SARS and H1N1.   A pandemic like this is usually good for the world because it thins out the weak and high risk and the stronger ones survive.   This lockdown and vax and mask bullshit is just that.... bullshit.

[Spider-Dan]

There really is no solution.   We just have to live with the results like we did with SARS and H1N1.

There were literally ZERO deaths from SARS in the US during the 2002-2004 outbreak, and 12,469 total deaths from H1N1 in US during the 2009 outbreak.

There have been over 16,000 American deaths from COVID in the last week alone.

SARS and H1N1 are not remotely comparable to COVID.  Not even close.  So when you're saying "we just have to live with the results," you're effectively saying that our hospital system should be either be completely revamped to deal with COVID, or we should just accept that hospitals will be permanently broken for the foreseeable future.

[Fau Teixeira]

hospital capacity and healthcare worker burnout aside, I'd say that the whole 95% of deaths being unvaccinated is a good example of darwinian natural selection at work. Being to the right of Trump politically is apparently bad for their survival, so they're dying more.  Oh well.

[Spider-Dan]

I'd agree, except that the unvaccinated are also negatively impacting responsible Americans who can't get the medical treatment they need because the hospitals are full of unvaccinated COVID patients.

A friend of mine has a wife that works in a Bay Area ICU, and due to all the unvaccinated COVID patients, any patient in the hospital who tests positive for COVID - symptomatic or not - has to be segregated with the COVID patients.  She recently had a vaccinated patient who underwent open heart surgery and came back to the hospital with complications from the surgery, and because he tested positive for COVID (asymptomatically), in order to treat him, they have to go through a full gowning & PPE procedure that would normally be unnecessary.  So anyway, his medical alarm goes off, and it takes her a couple of minutes to fully gown up and treat this emergency; by this point, she needs to do chest compressions to save his life.  As she's doing chest compressions, she can see his stitches from the recent heart surgery break open, and he's bleeding everywhere.  This would all be unnecessary if it weren't for unvaccinated people creating an entirely preventable COVID crisis.

This is to say nothing of the rare vaccinated COVID patients who have serious COVID cases but can't get treatments like monoclonal antibodies, because the willingly unvaccinated plague rats freedom-loving independent researchers suddenly decide that Big Pharma is actually great when they're in a hospital bed and demand that "the kitchen sink" of treatments be made available to them.

[Pappy13]

Funny how I see reports that isn't the case.

It's what is being reported closest to me.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/parkland-dramatic-increase-in-hospitalizations-covid-19-patients-mostly-unvaccinated/2847234/