Do any of you feel any different now than you did on voting day?

[Dave Gray]

I'm totally on board with blaming Trump for how bad things got with COVID....for sure.  But there was going to be a downturn regardless.

You can definitely look at policy and talk about degrees of how bad things were.  Had Trump (and the larger COVID-denier, anti-masking, anti-science movement) taken things seriously, perhaps this wouldn't have been as severe or as long.  That's a fair statement.

It's stupid to blame Carter for a bad economy.
It's stupid to credit Reagan for a good one.
It was also stupid to credit Clinton, as he oversaw a tech boom.
Bush was there for the 9/11 stuff, so that was gonna be a dip.

You can and should look overall deregulation costs and trends and taxation and trickle-down theories, but this stuff is often set up well in advance.

So, definitely look at Biden and credit or criticize what he's doing for how long or how much things will matter in the long run, but if you look at the current state of the US economy or gas prices and blame (or credit) Biden, you're a dingus.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

CF - With the evidence presented by the J6 committee have YOU changed your opinion?

[ArtieChokePhin]

CF - With the evidence presented by the J6 committee have YOU changed your opinion?

The J6 committee is a kangaroo court and needs to shut down.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The J6 committee is a kangaroo court and needs to shut down.

Have you watched any of it?  Almost every witness is a Republican who actively supported Trump.  The committee is bipartisan with the co-chair being a Cheney.

[CF DolFan]

The committee is bipartisan with the co-chair being a Cheney.

Nope and you know that ... hahaha. It's no secret so kind of funny you are trying to sell it. The panel is made up of seven Democrats and only two "Republicans" all appointed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She rejected several GOP members selected for the panel by House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.  The two are rhino Republicans hand-picked by Democrats who are both losing their seats. Wouldn't be far fetched to see them as Independents or Democrats in the future.

By the way ... if you are going to use a Bush political name as a great reference then you might as well use Clinton. They proved a long time ago that politics don't matter as much as being on the inner circle of Washington. Liz has completely fallen into her father's footsteps.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Nope and you know that ... hahaha. It's no secret so kind of funny you are trying to sell it. The panel is made up of seven Democrats and only two "Republicans" all appointed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She rejected several GOP members selected for the panel by House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.  The two are rhino Republicans hand-picked by Democrats who are both losing their seats. Wouldn't be far fetched to see them as Independents or Democrats in the future.

By the way ... if you are going to use a Bush political name as a great reference then you might as well use Clinton. They proved a long time ago that politics don't matter as much as being on the inner circle of Washington. Liz has completely fallen into her father's footsteps.

A number of McCarthy’s picks were coconspirators to overthrow the election.  They did not belong on an investigative committee.  

If the evidence presented by the committee hasn’t changed your mind you are either incredibly stupid or anti-democracy.  

Have you listened to the Bannon tape?  TI know you love conspiracy theories.  You are looking the wrong direction.  

Liz Cheney is modern version of a Democrat Unionist in 1861.  Someone who doesn’t want to overthrow the government despite that being the party platform.

[Dave Gray]

CF, I really think it's a mistake to dispose of these hearings as a partisan witch hunt.

It is bipartisan, honestly.  Cheney and Kinsinger are lifelong Republicans and are still conservatives.  They just aren't true believers in Trump's lies.

But it wouldn't even matter, anyway.

The format of the hearings is that they subpoena for answers -- they get them.  The people speaking ARE in the tank for Trump, but they're under oath.  It's just a series of questions and then Trump's own people answer with what he did.

Trump tried to overthrow the government.  It was a planned, intentional attack.  That is clear, from the mouths of his own team.  The reason is didn't work is partially because the system held up, but also because even though his team was OK with the charade, when it actually came down to committing treason, they couldn't go through with it.  ....maybe for self-preservation, maybe they just didn't think it could work.  But person after person testifying says that everyone in the room, including Trump, knew the claims were bullshit.  Everyone, except for a select few giving him bad advice, wanted him to make it stop, and he refused.

I hope I've earned some people's trust over the years of not being a whack-job -- this situation is pretty cut and dry.  Trump tried to overthrow democracy and these hearings bear that out 100% clearly -- and it's from the mouths of his own supporters and cabinet.