RIP Pope Francis

[Sibster]

So when I say that people who have more labor intensive jobs are "working harder" I am shaming you, but when you say that your management jobs are "actually harder work" than the labor intensive jobs, you're not shaming them?

Snowflakes, as far as the eye can see.  Conservatives are such whiny babies; your feelings are always incredibly important and must be Protected At All Costs, but everyone else's feelings are meaningless.

I honestly don't give a shit how you feel.   I worked hard to come up with the idea for my business and I pour my blood, sweat, heart, and money into it.   That, to me, is working hard.   If you're putting max effort into whatever job you have and feel drained at the end of the day, IMO you've worked hard.  Those who are in management at one point were lowly employees and had to earn their way in.   Shaming them for working hard to earn their way to the top is what makes you a whiny bitch.

[Spider-Dan]

Obviously not but it doesn't' make me lazy. It' makes me someone who has earned something.

The mere mention that poor people almost always have harder work is immediately interpreted by you as an accusation of "laziness" on your part.

It would be one thing if your position was that every job in our society needs to be done by somebody and we shouldn't pit people against one another as some sort of "who works the hardest" competition, because all work deserves respect.  But that's not it at all!  There is not the slightest doubt in your mind when y'all proudly declare how you work much harder than all these day laborers making minimum wage.

See, I have no problem happily acknowledging that my much-higher-paying job of today is FAR easier than the low-paying jobs of my youth, working retail or in a call center.  I've put in decades of work and - with a bit of good fortune, as well - have earned my way up the ladder.  I see no shame in conceding that I don't have to work as hard today as I did when I was younger and making less money.  That's the GOAL: work less, make more!

But you seem unable to settle for that arrangement, and are stuck clinging to the idea that you also somehow work harder now; that it's offensive to say that someone making less money than you actually works harder than you do today.  It's ridiculous.

I honestly don't give a shit how you feel

Yeah, that's the point: y'all don't give a shit about anyone else's feelings, yet expect your own feelings to be treated at all times like the most delicate silk.

Again, this is what made Pope Francis unusual: unlike the extremely loud American Catholic authorities who seem to focus on all sorts of imagined slights without a word to say about the poorest and neediest in our society, Pope Francis seemed to be sticking up for the downtrodden.  It's not enough to make me a fan of the Catholic Church, but I was a fan of his.

[Sibster]

Yeah, that's the point: y'all don't give a shit about anyone else's feelings, yet expect your own feelings to be treated at all times like the most delicate silk.

Again, this is what made Pope Francis unusual: unlike the extremely loud American Catholic authorities who seem to focus on all sorts of imagined slights without a word to say about the poorest and neediest in our society, Pope Francis seemed to be sticking up for the downtrodden.  It's not enough to make me a fan of the Catholic Church, but I was a fan of his.

I expect our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to not be trod on.   Because last I checked, the Constitution was not written with hurt feelings taken into consideration.   That being said, perhaps we should build more prisons for the poor.  Better yet, build more prisons for the leftists.   Everyone there has equal housing, equal treatment, free food, free healthcare, and no one has a gun except the guards.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I expect our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to not be trod on.   Because last I checked, the Constitution was not written with hurt feelings taken into consideration.   That being said, perhaps we should build more prisons for the poor.  Better yet, build more prisons for the leftists.   Everyone there has equal housing, equal treatment, free food, free healthcare, and no one has a gun except the guards.

Wow.  You went from constitutional rights in sentence one to imprisoning people for being poor or because of beliefs.  You do realize the 1st, 5th and 14th amendments are apart of the constitution.

[Sibster]

Wow.  You went from constitutional rights in sentence one to imprisoning people for being poor or because of beliefs.  You do realize the 1st, 5th and 14th amendments are apart of the constitution.

Exactly the point.

[Pappy13]

In my business, I have to constantly dust and starighten out shelves....

I'm not sure why you felt the need to add this into your argument. I get that it's a part of your job that you probably spend a fair amount of time doing, but it didn't help your argument at all, in fact it sounded ridiculous.

not to mention carry whole cases of beer, wine, or liquor out onto the sales floor and either stretch up or down to put each bottle in its correct place.

This is a little better and yet I can't help but think this is exactly what my 16 year old son was doing stocking shelves for Target. I have no doubt this is indeed hard work, but I never once asked my son if he was ok after coming home from a hard day at work.

I'll be honest, I have no idea what you do and I'm sure there's a good bit of anxiety associated with running your own business, but honestly these things above seem like the easiest things you do. My daughter works in retail too and never complains about these things it's always about trying to find and train good workers, working with customers who can be rude and entitled, etc. These are mentally taxing and I'll never belittle the work that retailers do and yet I still think that the lowest working class in our society are still some of the hardest working people I've ever met.

No offense to you, but I don't think you are giving others the credit they deserve. Poor does not equate with lazy. If you think it does you have some serious soul searching to do. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Spider-Dan]

No offense to you, but I don't think you are giving others the credit they deserve. Poor does not equate with lazy. If you think it does you have some serious soul searching to do.

It is part and parcel of the wealth-worshipping mindset, where those who have more money are more deserving because they are better people (harder working, etc).

[CF DolFan]

No one here probably cares but "the real pope" says he is the reason the pope was killed. Abdullah Hashem claims to be the successor of Jesus Christ, Simon Peter, Muhammed, Mahdi, and the true and only legitimate pope. Oh ... and he says he is NOT the antiChrist.

https://youtu.be/rgQhvkB6F1I?si=vXH99SbAunUHD_iP

[Sibster]

I'm not sure why you felt the need to add this into your argument. I get that it's a part of your job that you probably spend a fair amount of time doing, but it didn't help your argument at all, in fact it sounded ridiculous.
This is a little better and yet I can't help but think this is exactly what my 16 year old son was doing stocking shelves for Target. I have no doubt this is indeed hard work, but I never once asked my son if he was ok after coming home from a hard day at work.

I'll be honest, I have no idea what you do and I'm sure there's a good bit of anxiety associated with running your own business, but honestly these things above seem like the easiest things you do. My daughter works in retail too and never complains about these things it's always about trying to find and train good workers, working with customers who can be rude and entitled, etc. These are mentally taxing and I'll never belittle the work that retailers do and yet I still think that the lowest working class in our society are still some of the hardest working people I've ever met.

No offense to you, but I don't think you are giving others the credit they deserve. Poor does not equate with lazy. If you think it does you have some serious soul searching to do. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I own two liquor stores.   One in Orange City, FL and one in Deland, FL.   I'm constantly shuttling back and forth between each one trying to take care of business.   I never equated being poor to being lazy.   The issue between Spider and I is what constitutes "hard work"?   To me, it's putting everything you have into whatever you do, regardless of how physical or mentally demanding it is.