Charlie Kirk assassinated

[Sibster]

A man who stood for traditional family values and was a positive influence on America's youth has been brutally murdered.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-turning-point-usa/

[Spider-Dan]

"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational." - Charlie Kirk, 2023

Charlie Kirk died living his values; the same values he espoused any time a classroom of third-graders is murdered.

Sadly, there is No Way To Prevent the out-of-control gun violence in this country.

[Spider-Dan]

I think Charlie Kirk may have been killed by his jilted gay lover.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

[Sibster]

^^^^^

I'm shocked and appalled that you actually think his death is ok.   Or that it's ok for someone to be killed because their political ideology is different from yours.

From my limited time on this board, I figured you were a leftist piece of shit.   Now I know for certain you are.   

[Dave Gray]

Political assassinations are bad.  This will be an accelerant of other bad things.

But Charlie Kirk was a huge piece of shit.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm shocked and appalled that you actually think his death is ok.   Or that it's ok for someone to be killed because their political ideology is different from yours.

From my limited time on this board, I figured you were a leftist piece of shit.   Now I know for certain you are.

I can understand why my repeating of the things Charlie Kirk has said to other victims of violence (and their survivors) would give you the impression that I'm a disgusting POS.

Because Charlie Kirk was a disgusting POS.

[Sibster]

I can understand why my repeating of the things Charlie Kirk has said to other victims of violence (and their survivors) would give you the impression that I'm a disgusting POS.

Because Charlie Kirk was a disgusting POS.

He was a young husband, father, youth leader, and a supporter of traditional family values.   If that makes him a disgusting POS to you, then you've got something messed up in your head.

[Dave Gray]

He was a young husband, father, youth leader, and a supporter of traditional family values.   If that makes him a disgusting POS to you, then you've got something messed up in your head.

Lots of shitty people have families.  I don't like people getting shot, in general.  I certainly don't like people getting gunned down in front of their kids.  But Kirk spouted hate and hurt people every day with his carrying water for this fascist regime.  I don't see how him having kids absolves him of any of that.

[Phishfan]

I never heard of this guy until yesterday. I’m going to need to look him up to see things that he has said. The differing options of the type of man he was is mind blowing.

[Dave Gray]

I just want to be insanely clear:

It's bad that he's shot.  I'm not happy he's dead.  This is bad for America.  I'm sorry for any of you who are feeling anger and pain and sadness about his death.  You don't deserve that.



But I'm not going to pretend that he wasn't a fascist and I'm not going to white-wash his shittiness.  He was a bad person who sewed hate and made a brand off of being a professional instigator and provocateur at the cost of other people's lives.

I also always make a point to let facts come out.  Motivations for the type of person who is willing to give up their life are rarely cut and dry.

[Sibster]

Lots of shitty people have families.  I don't like people getting shot, in general.  I certainly don't like people getting gunned down in front of their kids.  But Kirk spouted hate and hurt people every day with his carrying water for this fascist regime.  I don't see how him having kids absolves him of any of that.

He might be shitty to you.  But if you dig deeper, a lot of the alleged stuff was either rumors, or taken out of context.   An example is his comments on the George Floyd situation.  I agree with Kirk that Floyd should not be held up as a national hero.  The guy was a thug who had a bad rep.  Granted, that doesn't justify the cop kneeling on his neck and he most certainly didn't deserve to die.  But he should never be recognized as a hero or martyr of any type.

Also the allegations of antisemitism are complete horseshit.   He stood with Israel.

[Dave Gray]

I know all about Charlie Kirk.  He's not new to me.  I hear clips of his bullshit on a very regular basis.  He brand was to be an eloquent asshole to people like me.

I also don't think that George Floyd was a hero, nor a martyr;  he was a victim.   

[Spider-Dan]

As I have already referenced, when there was a politically-motivated home invasion at Nancy Pelosi's house and her 80something year-old husband was hit in the head with a hammer by the assailant, the take from wonderful father and family values enjoyer Charlie Kirk (along with many other conservatives) was "Some patriot should bail out Paul Pelosi's attacker so we can ask him if he is his jilted gay lover."

I refuse to play the respectability politics game with these ghouls.

ETA: This has nothing to do with Kirk being a conservative traditional family values blahblahblah.  Charlie Kirk personally had zero regard for other victims of political violence and had no interest in any serious attempts to curtail the epidemic of gun crime in America.  He died living his values.

[Sibster]

As I have already referenced, when there was a politically-motivated home invasion at Nancy Pelosi's house and her 80something year-old husband was hit in the head with a hammer by the assailant, the take from wonderful father and family values enjoyer Charlie Kirk (along with many other conservatives) was "Some patriot should bail out Paul Pelosi's attacker so we can ask him if he is his jilted gay lover."

I refuse to play the respectability politics game with these ghouls.

ETA: This has nothing to do with Kirk being a conservative traditional family values blahblahblah.  Charlie Kirk personally had zero regard for other victims of political violence and had no interest in any serious attempts to curtail the epidemic of gun crime in America.  He died living his values.

While I don't like what Nancy Pelosi did while she was in office, her husband didn't deserve to get hit on the head.   And as for Kirk's comment, you fail to reference that he said it "tongue in cheek" along with a comment of "How come Pelosi's assailant is being held without bond, while in Chicago, someone can commit murder and be out the next day"

And as for the epidemic gun problem, it's real simple.  Put more guns in the hands of responsible people and keep them out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill... like that guy that shot and killed innocent kids in a Catholic school because he was in his feelings about not having a vagina.

[Spider-Dan]

Oh, well in that case:

When I suggested Charlie Kirk's assailant may be his jilted gay lover (a comment which you said shocked and appalled you, while confirming your suspicion that I am a piece of shit), that was actually "tongue-in-cheek," just like you claim it was when Charlie Kirk said it about Paul Pelosi.

Since your defense of Kirk saying the same thing was surely honest and in good faith (and not, say, just making excuses for terrible people who you happen to agree with politically), I look forward to your apology for that vile smear of my character.

An example is his comments on the George Floyd situation.  I agree with Kirk that Floyd should not be held up as a national hero.  The guy was a thug who had a bad rep.  Granted, that doesn't justify the cop kneeling on his neck and he most certainly didn't deserve to die.  But he should never be recognized as a hero or martyr of any type.

On the topic of people being undeservedly recognized as national heroes: when George Floyd was murdered, then-President Trump didn't order flags across the nation to be flown at half-mast.  Nor was such an order issued in June of this year when a Democratic state legislator from Minnesota and her husband were assassinated in their home by a right-wing lunatic who had also shot a second Democratic state legislator and his wife earlier the same day.