Trump sucks

[pondwater]

The Democrats are feckless, but this isn't shared fuckery.  All of the grifting and tariffs and warring and economic shitstorm and anti-scientific garbage is coming from the one party that controls all levers of government.  The Democrats used some pronouns in their twitter bio.  It's not a both-sides thing.

Historically, if you want to blame corporate Dems, sure -- but right now, for the last ten years, this isn't a shared responsibility.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. But like I said, nothing is really going to change. The left and the right will just try to one up each other as the pendulum swings back and forth.

[pondwater]

You say that like anyone is shocked to see a conservative say "Don't forget to blame the Democrats too."

So what you're really trying to imply in the reader's mind is that, "The left gets no blame for anything and the right is fully responsible for all of the world's problems". Gotcha, thanks for the clairification

[Dave Gray]

I mean....I'm not a fan of dems and I don't think that they have done a good job of representing the left, and instead have eaten up the corporate middle, but this isn't a matter of pendulum swinging.

We aren't in a shit storm because Trump and his cronies are too conservative.  We're in a shit-storm because we are an illiberal (small L) government run by an authoritarian.

We voted for a grifter and known criminal with no moral center and he's grifting and criming without morals and held up by oligarchs.  He tested the fences and they failed.  You can blame the Dems for "not knowing what time it is" and I think the mistake is thinking that the pendulum will swing back without completely upending the system.  We need to codify laws.  I don't want a liberal version of authoritarianism where we have our 4 years of breaking laws instead.

[pondwater]

I mean....I'm not a fan of dems and I don't think that they have done a good job of representing the left, and instead have eaten up the corporate middle, but this isn't a matter of pendulum swinging.

We aren't in a shit storm because Trump and his cronies are too conservative.  We're in a shit-storm because we are an illiberal (small L) government run by an authoritarian.

We voted for a grifter and known criminal with no moral center and he's grifting and criming without morals and held up by oligarchs.  He tested the fences and they failed.  You can blame the Dems for "not knowing what time it is" and I think the mistake is thinking that the pendulum will swing back without completely upending the system.  We need to codify laws.  I don't want a liberal version of authoritarianism where we have our 4 years of breaking laws instead.

More than likely the left will win the midterms and then the presidency. And then you'll have the next level of what we have now, just in the opposite direction. Tit for tat. But, I could be wrong

[Dave Gray]

And then you'll have the next level of what we have now, just in the opposite direction. Tit for tat. But, I could be wrong

Can you expand on that?  I think you are wrong, because I don't even know what that would look like.  Trump has his own secret police that he's deploying around the country to areas where he doesn't have support.  Do you expect the Dems to take over and release the secret police to conservative towns?

Do you think that we're going to use the arm of the government to close out conservative media?  Do you think we're going to go after institutions with a conservative slant and sue them and shut them down? 

What is the liberal version of Trump?  What pendulum swing could it even be?  Do you expect President Gavin Newsome to start putting his name on buildings, minting his own coins, and doing his own crypto scams and bribes?

Obviously the answer is no, but what does the pendulum swing even look like?

I'm being geniune in asking because the swing isn't going to go from a right-wing authoritarian to a left-wing authoritarian -- at least I certainly hope not.

[pondwater]

Can you expand on that?  I think you are wrong, because I don't even know what that would look like.  Trump has his own secret police that he's deploying around the country to areas where he doesn't have support.  Do you expect the Dems to take over and release the secret police to conservative towns?

Do you think that we're going to use the arm of the government to close out conservative media?  Do you think we're going to go after institutions with a conservative slant and sue them and shut them down? 

What is the liberal version of Trump?  What pendulum swing could it even be?  Do you expect President Gavin Newsome to start putting his name on buildings, minting his own coins, and doing his own crypto scams and bribes?

Obviously the answer is no, but what does the pendulum swing even look like?

I'm being geniune in asking because the swing isn't going to go from a right-wing authoritarian to a left-wing authoritarian -- at least I certainly hope not.

You never know what's going to happen. Unless of course you recognize and see the patterns and cycles. No president in my lifetime has affected my life to any great extent. And I'm fairly confident that if Trump wasn't currently the president, that life wouldn't be that much different. But sure, Trump is the cause of all your problems, all my problems, and all of everyone's problems. My life is so much better since I learned to "tune out" most of the noise.

[Spider-Dan]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. But like I said, nothing is really going to change. The left and the right will just try to one up each other as the pendulum swings back and forth.

Again, it would have been refreshing to hear this Enlightened Perspective of "Both parties are bad and it makes no difference which one is in power" when Obama or Biden were busy destroying the republic.

Because hearing it today just sounds like you're making excuses for your guys shitting the bed.

So what you're really trying to imply in the reader's mind is that, "The left gets no blame for anything and the right is fully responsible for all of the world's problems".

If you want to blame the left when the left is in power, fine.
But you didn't hear me pushing this weak "Politics really don't matter and both parties are going to be terrible regardless" nonsense 4 years ago like I was too scared to defend what Democrats were doing.  Give an actual defense for this conservative governance, or don't and just admit that Republicans who are in power are screwing up.  This "Actually I realized both sides are terrible" BS isn't fooling anyone.

[Fau Teixeira]

After the end of WW2 the US led a campaign of denazification in Germany.

[pondwater]

Again, it would have been refreshing to hear this Enlightened Perspective of "Both parties are bad and it makes no difference which one is in power" when Obama or Biden were busy destroying the republic.

Because hearing it today just sounds like you're making excuses for your guys shitting the bed.
If you want to blame the left when the left is in power, fine.
But you didn't hear me pushing this weak "Politics really don't matter and both parties are going to be terrible regardless" nonsense 4 years ago like I was too scared to defend what Democrats were doing.  Give an actual defense for this conservative governance, or don't and just admit that Republicans who are in power are screwing up.  This "Actually I realized both sides are terrible" BS isn't fooling anyone.

Ok, if you say so.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

But sure, Trump is the cause of all your problems, all my problems, and all of everyone's problems.

No, he is not the cause of ALL of my problems.  But he is the cause of SOME of my problems.  And he seems to be actively working to make things worse for this country.  That is the opposite of his job responsibility

[Spider-Dan]

After the end of WW2 the US led a campaign of denazification in Germany.

That campaign was conducted at gunpoint by an occupying foreign military.

so it's not likely to be relevant to this discussion

[pondwater]

No, he is not the cause of ALL of my problems.  But he is the cause of SOME of my problems.  And he seems to be actively working to make things worse for this country.  That is the opposite of his job responsibility

That's interesting. What exactly are "SOME" of your problems that are caused exclusively by Trump?

[Spider-Dan]

Here's an example of the type of corruption that is just normal under Trump:

Justice Department agrees to pay ex-Trump adviser Michael Flynn in settlement over wrongful prosecution lawsuit

The Justice Department has reached a settlement with Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s former national security adviser who sued the government for millions of dollars over what he alleged to be a wrongful prosecution.

In a brief court filing Wednesday, lawyers for both Flynn and the Justice Department said they reached an agreement to drop the lawsuit and for Flynn to receive “settlement funds.” While the filing did not include the amount of money, or elaborate on any other terms of the settlement, a person familiar with the matter said Flynn would receive more than $1 million in the agreement.

Flynn sued the government for $50 million, alleging that the FBI tried to entrap him in the early days of the Trump administration.

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In other words, Trump's DOJ agreed to pay a Trump ally a $1 million settlement for "wrongful prosecution" by the first Trump Administration.
This is on top of Trump suing the US government (i.e. himself) for $10 billion for "wrongful treatment"; a claim where his own appointees will determine whether to settle with their boss.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

That's interesting. What exactly are "SOME" of your problems that are caused exclusively by Trump?

I will give three:

1) Inflation.  While Presidents rarely have direct effect on the economy.  Trumps tariffs and needless war with Iran have directly cost me more money to acquire the things I need to live.

2) I had to come into work on my day off, because a coworker of mine who is a US Citizen and was born in Puerto Rico was detained by ICE.

3) I had to send a condolence card to a different coworker, when his nephew's wife died because she couldn't get necessary medical treatment during a miscarriage that was direct result of the repeal of Roe v.Wade.

As a MAGA faithful I am sure you actually see number #2 as a good thing, because a real American got extra hours of employment at the expense of a fake American 

And you might point out that #3 didn't actually directly affect me and the purchase of a card was purely optional on behalf.  But you will only do that if you are psychopath. 

And maybe if you are a complete moron you will try to argue that Trump didn't actually arrest my coworker. And Trump didn't repeal Roe v. Wade he only appointed people who did. But that is like arguing that Hitler didn't actually murder Anne Frank.

[pondwater]

I will give three:

1) Inflation.  While Presidents rarely have direct effect on the economy.  Trumps tariffs and needless war with Iran have directly cost me more money to acquire the things I need to live.

2) I had to come into work on my day off, because a coworker of mine who is a US Citizen and was born in Puerto Rico was detained by ICE.

3) I had to send a condolence card to a different coworker, when his nephew's wife died because she couldn't get necessary medical treatment during a miscarriage that was direct result of the repeal of Roe v.Wade.

As a MAGA faithful I am sure you actually see number #2 as a good thing, because a real American got extra hours of employment at the expense of a fake American 

And you might point out that #3 didn't actually directly affect me and the purchase of a card was purely optional on behalf.  But you will only do that if you are psychopath. 

And maybe if you are a complete moron you will try to argue that Trump didn't actually arrest my coworker. And Trump didn't repeal Roe v. Wade he only appointed people who did. But that is like arguing that Hitler didn't actually murder Anne Frank.

Seems like you're having a tough time right now. Thanks for sharing your experiences and hardships. I sincerely hope things turn around for you in life.