Yankees're screwed

[MaineDolFan]

Being the GM of the Yanks is the easiest job in baseball. See a talented player. Go buy him.

And, again, you fail to even tip your cap at a real and valid point:  The New York Yankess have won virtually nothing from the time that they emptied their farm system.  Only when 80% of their starting lineup came from their own system and draft were they winning handfuls of titles in the 90's - it wasn't with hired guns.

So explain to me how Cashman has "the easiest job in the majors" please?  He obtains the "best talent out there" yet fails to win each year.  Hmmm. 

In regards to the Yankees making the playoffs every year - um, yeah.  You do know that Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay are in the same division, yes?  Boston / NYY make the playoffs almost out of default.

[MaineDolFan]

They are also responsible for...priests molesting children...

And no, you didn't.  Bad Sunstroke, bad!

BTW, did you know that I was a Yankees fan??? 

[Dphins4me]

Wow, did the equipment cost a lot of money?  You know...the stuff that allows blind people to use the internet?  .

  Make no sense.

Me...a Yankee fan.  I think that now I have heard it all.  Here's your first tip, try looking at my avatar.

A: You avatar is not available on the reply section  B:  I was simply reply in general to usually the people who defend the Yanks are usually only their fans, but RSox fans are not far behind.  Its like having Hitler defend Stalin.

Lets see how well either team would do with a 70 million budget instead of 100+ million or 200 million in the Yanks case.  However, at least Boston has a budget.

I think that only someone with a minimal education within the game will place 100% of baseball's faults on the New York Yankees.  But I guess that is why basketball makes free throws from where they are - easy targets.

Find where I said it was 100% of the Yanks fault.  I do not blame the Yanks.  If I could simply out spend my close competion to improve my chances at winning then I would do the same.

Its the owners fault for not getting together to make baseball more level in terms of being able to keep your own players & figuring out of way to improve their product so fans from other cities might be more interested in their team.

[Dphins4me]

And, again, you fail to even tip your cap at a real and valid point:  The New York Yankess have won virtually nothing from the time that they emptied their farm system. 

  Virtually nothing?    Won 4 out of the last 10 WS titles.   Played for the WS title 6 out of the last 10 years.  They have won the AL pennant 3 of the last 6 years.  Won their division 8 straight years.   

Yea, they have won virtually nothing lately.  They may not have won the WS title the last 5, but lets not pretend they have won virtually nothing.

Only when 80% of their starting lineup came from their own system and draft were they winning handfuls of titles in the 90's - it wasn't with hired guns.

  Yes, this is true, but in the process some of the players they have taken on could have stayed with another team.  The fact is even with home grown talent they are still able to keep it when other teams have to let some if not all of it go elsewhere.  Do you think Oakland wanted to trade Hudson, Mulder & let Tejada walk?  No, but they had to.  Its the only way they can complete is to develop talent then move it for cheaper talent, before they lose it for nothing but picks. 

So explain to me how Cashman has "the easiest job in the majors" please?  He obtains the "best talent out there" yet fails to win each year.  Hmmm.  .

  Having the best talent does not mean you will always win.  It simply means you have greatly improved your chances.  The hardest part of Cashman job is putting up with his boss.  Other than that it takes no real talent to trade for A-Rod, sign Giambi, sign Damon etc......  My 4 year old could do that.

In regards to the Yankees making the playoffs every year - um, yeah.  You do know that Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay are in the same division, yes?  Boston / NYY make the playoffs almost out of default.

I'll give you that one.

[MaineDolFan]

  Virtually nothing?    Won 4 out of the last 10 WS titles.   Played for the WS title 6 out of the last 10 years.  They have won the AL pennant 3 of the last 6 years.  Won their division 8 straight years.   

Are you the master of skimming posts and not actually reading them?  Would you like to do your own homework, or shall I do it for you?  The last time the Yankees won the World Series was...what year?  Anyone?  Bueller?  And how many players on that roster came up through the Yankees system?  Not big money free agents?  Anyone?  And how many players on that active roster were drafted by the Yankees and not hired guns?  Anyone? 

(crickets and tumbleweed insert here)

EVERY team that has a shot goes out and picks up the occasional player.  Every team.  Period.  Please check your information again - research the last year that the Yankees won the World Series and what players made up those rosters.  And, when you're done - please let me know how many titles the Yankees have won since really opening their wallets versus grooming their own?  I'll give you that answer - zero.  Nada.  Zilch.  8 division titles?  Yippie.  Who was the team that lost the World Series in 1979?  Who won the AL West in 1984?  Who cares?

That 1999/2000 team sure was filled with super stars.  Joe Girardi, Jeff Manto, Chad Curtis...few!  Man.  I'll do some of this for you.  Starting line up those years... 

Jorge Posada?  Yankee product - drafted by NYY in 1990
Derek Jeter?  Yankee product - drafted by NYY in 1996
Bernie Williams?  Yankee product - amateur free agent, signed 1985
Ricky Ledee?  Yankee product - drafted in 1990
Shane Spencer?  Yankee product - drafted in 1990
Jim Leyritz?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1985
D'Angelo Jimenez?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1994
Alfonso Soriano?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1998
Mike Figga?  Yankee product, drafted 1989
Andy Pettitte?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1991
Orlando Hernandez?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1998
Mariano Rivera?  Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1990
Ramiro Mendoza? Yankee product, amateur free agent, signed 1991
Jay Tessmer?  Yankee product, drafted 1995
Mike Buddie?  Yankee product, drafted 1992

25 man active roster - 16 of those players were drafted by the Yankees or signed as rookies.  Four more players had been with te Yankees for at least four years.  That leaves 5 spots for players that hadn't been around a while...aka "those big market free agents."  Two "big names" on that roster?  Roger Clemens and David Cone.  Shall I list off the "big names" on the Braves that year that didn't start their careers with the Braves when the Yanks won in '99?  Or maybe the Mets from '00?  It's more than the Yankees.

Again - fact:  the Yankees haven't won anything from 2000 when a decision was made that they were better off with names versus prospects.  If you look at any Yankee 25 man roster from 2000 on, you'll find MAYBE 6 players that the Yankees drafted.  And that's being kind.

So for all of the "hired guns"...it's netted them exactly squat.  Smashing the piggy bank for Damon, Sheff, Giambi, ARod, Johnson, etc hasn't exactly brought them to the promised land.  What has it gotten them?  Those sparkling 8 division titles, 2 World Series losses to two expansion teams, two LCS losses to the Angels and the Red Sox.  Yep, that Cashman has it easy.

Actually - that 2000 team did have Ted Lilly.  I guess everyone should have seen that title coming...


Just because a team spends, doesn't mean that they win.  That said, you HAVE to spend a certain amount to compete.  If you don't...that's no one else's fault than that team.

[Dphins4me]

Are you the master of skimming posts and not actually reading them? 

Do not talk to me about skimming post when you just skimmed mine


I post this below in my last post.

The fact is even with home grown talent they are still able to keep it when other teams have to let some, if not all of it go elsewhere.

Since you might not get it.  This means that when the Yanks grow their own & want to keep them then they do not have to pick between which player(s) they might want to kept, like Oakland had to do with keeping either Chavez or Tejada. 

If the Yanks had grown both do you think Tejada would have ended up in Baltimore or would he still be a Yank?

When is the last time the Yanks had to choose which of their home grown players to keep?

By the way.  Jeter was not drafted in '96, but in '92.   Guess I do read your post.

EVERY team that has a shot goes out and picks up the occasional player.  Every team.  Period.  Please check your information again ..

   Check what info?  I never said teams didn't.   WTF are you reading?   However, I'll run with it, what teams adds 10 to 20  million dollar ball players year after year after year while still paying for the previous years players?

(crickets and tumbleweed insert here)

For some reason you are stuck on home grown products.  Sure they are nice, but that home grown product grow up & cost.  The Yanks are able to meet any & all cost to keep them.

Tell, when is the last time the Yanks lost a FA they wanted to keep?


By the way.  I do not care if the Yanks have not won a WS title in 5 years.  They have been one of only 4 teams out of the AL that could in each year.  When they start sitting at home come Oct. then we will talk about how its not paying off for them, until then your argument is really weak.

Just because a team spends, doesn't mean that they win.  That said, you HAVE to spend a certain amount to compete.  If you don't...that's no one else's fault than that team..

  Easier said than done.  Baseball is a business & like any business you cannot spend more than you make, just like with your personal income.   Lesser revenue teams cannot spend 100 million year in & year out while taking in less & expect to be around a few years down the road. 

Fans need to understand this is not monopoly money we are talking about here.  But real debt & real income.

I agree that spending for the sake of spending does not help you win, however it does make it easier when you know if you make a mistake on a player it will not cripple your salary structure for years to come.

And I still say Cashman job is easy.  When you do not have work within a budget & have to decide between which player to keep & which player to let go because you simply cannot afford both then your job is easier.

[MaineDolFan]

You're very right that the Yankees get the players that they want.  I won't dispute that.  I guess my point, and it's getting lost, is this:  the success was there when the mix was more groomed versus FA.  Something changed after that 2000 season - George went even more crazy - and things haven't been the same since.  Some of it is pure dumb luck, losing to the Diamondbacks and Marlins in the dance, losing to Boston in that ALCS...so they easily could have three more rings - but it used to mean something to be a Yankee.

God - I forgot about Tejada!  Good call.  They also dealt away Lowell, although I would say that SS and 3B hasn't been a weakness for them.  I accept your point on Cashman that he has unlimited tools to try to get the job done.  I think he would be better served to draft better and go younger - I don't think that I did a decent job of making my point.

[SCFinFan]

Hey guys, after last night, I'd just like to say: I love Melky Cabrera. 

[raptorsfan29]

Who won the argument battle maine or Dphins4me, just wondering

[EDGECRUSHER]

The avatar is just a cover you Jeter loving bastard.