Brady Quinn over Ted Ginn plus Cam Cameron's incompetence

[Dphins4me]

I dont understand the Ginn apologists. No matter how great a niche player he becomes you do not pass up a franchise QB if you're the Dolphins in that draft. We were in the need of a cornerstone & went for luxury picks

  I've ask this time & time again.  Since when do Qbs who are franchises type QB available at No. 9?   & end up getting drafted at No. 22?  Quinn's draft position tells me one thing.  NFL teams had major concerns about him.

I do not get the people saying Miami should have drafted Quinn simply because they needed a QB.  What about Beck who was drafted only 18 picks lower in the draft?

[StL FinFan]

People who are still angry that we did not take Quinn will never accept Beck, even if he becomes the next Marino, because they would rather be right than happy.

[Dphins4me]

  That is great that Teddy has good hands, but a #1 receiver must also be able to run good crisp routes, BLOCK DOWN FIELD for other ball carriers and receivers, be able to seperate from defenders, STAY HEALTHY, draw double coverage to open up other options for your offense etc.   With Ted Ginn, I am unsure he will be able to handle the #1 wr job for the Miami Dolphins.  His size and ability are both questionable as a #1 wideout.  Ginn is a very good KR/PR with great speed, who might turn out to be a very good #2 or slot receiver in the NFL.  He definetly was not worth a top 10 pick with Brady Quinn falling into our laps at # 9.  Quinn will be a very solid QB in the NFL.

  If Ginn turns into a solid No. 2 guys, then I'll be happy.  Its not like teams have not knowingly drafted No. 2 Wr high in the draft. 

Blocking from a Wr is a plus, it has no bearing on being a No. 1.  I want my Wr to catch the balls thrown their way.

What is so special about Quinn?    Some of you guys are talking as if Quinn came into the NFL as the next Manning.

[Dave Gray]

  One.  Ginn is not a Kick Returner. 

Uh...yes he is.

He is not Devin Hester.  Ginn is a Wr who happens to excel at returning kicks.

So is Hester.

   

You guys that keep referring to him as a KR must not have noticed.  He is playing Wr. & catching the football.

This is true, but it's widely known that he was taken where he was for his ability at returning kicks, moreso than his receiver ability.  (Of course both matter.)  The front office even compared him to Hester directly, for those reasons.

Two.  Miami got abused in the '00 season by not having a solid No. 3 Corner.

Yes, but I question whether it's worth spending a #1 pick on a #3 corner.  Seems like that a spot for a free-agent veteran on the decline or a later round selection or something.  ...not a potential super-star.

[Dphins4me]

For those who wanted Cam to stay after this monstrosity of a season, is a guy who gets called out for stuff like below a guy you would want leading your team?

  Zach denied that ever happened.

  I do not put much stock in Jerry Porter calling someone spineless.

Remind me how many buddies of his jumped Levi so Porter could hit him?

Coaches loss teams all the time.  Coughlin if you forget lost control of his team in '06 & had to begged for his job, plus Coughlin was a experienced HC. 

I'm not saying Cam did not make mistakes, but he was also a rookie HC.  Sparano will make mistake next year.  That is a guarantee.

[Dphins4me]

NO QB could have Succeeded in last years atmosphere. But your right........Parcells might have not have picked a QB at all if we had Quinn on the rooster as opposed to Beck. Maybe much more of a project in the 4th rounds or later.

b I agree that no Qb would have succeeded last year.

If Quinn had played like Beck, then I believe Henne would have still be in Miami.

[Dphins4me]

 For the people " Yelling " that Miami should have drafted Quinn.

Tell the rest of us what you know about Quinn's ability.  What makes you think he brings franchise type talent to be drafted that high?

[Brian Fein]

So is Hester.

Hester is actually a defensive back (cornerback, I think) who they're trying to morph into a WR.  Problem is he has no hands.  Hester is a crappy cover guy with good speed and great blocking up front.

Ted Ginn is a speedy WR with deep-threat potential and, oh by the way, he can return punts as well.

You can't compare the two, at all.  Ginn was drafted to fill a need at WR, not to be the team's KR.

[Dphins4me]

Uh...yes he is.

  Uh No.  A KR simply returns punts & KO then returns to the sidelines to watch the offense.

So is Hester.

The man has caught 20 passes in his career.  That is an average of 10 Per.

The jury is far more out on Hester's ability to play Wr, than it is Ginn's.

   

This is true, but it's widely known that he was taken where he was for his ability at returning kicks, moreso than his receiver ability.  (Of course both matter.)  The front office even compared him to Hester directly, for those reasons.

Young WR are often KR early in their career.  I fall back to the No. 6 pick in '88 ( Tim Brown ).

Steve Smith also returned kicks, but he was not a first Rd. selection.

They spoke of Ginn that way, because they knew rookie Wr need developmental time & that is the way Ginn would impact the team the most his rookie year.

Yes, but I question whether it's worth spending a #1 pick on a #3 corner.  Seems like that a spot for a free-agent veteran on the decline or a later round selection or something.  ...not a potential super-star.

  Wasn't that what Miami had been doing with no success?    Outside of a young Qb to develop, CB was Miami's greatest need that year.

[Rick]

  What is so special about Quinn?    Some of you guys are talking as if Quinn came into the NFL as the next Manning.

  I watched this kid play lots of football over his 4 years at Notre Dame University.  Brady displayed leadership skills on and off the field, intelligence,  great work ethic,  a strong arm, accuracy ( he made bad throws, as do all qbs), moved around the pocket pretty well etc.  Quinn has all the TOOLS and the CHARISMA to play in the city where the great Dan Marino played.  He played all 4 years at Notre Dame and improved each year.  It is my opinion that he will be an outstanding NFL QB.  If you disagree, that is fine.  That is what makes for good football discussions.
   BTW,  I am not a Notre Dame fan by any means!!!!

[Defense54]

  WRONG.  Brady Quinn was not the ONLY pick the Dolphins could've used at that time.  We could've drafted Patrick Willis, there was a need for another young MLB.  We could've drafted Amobi Okoye, Keith Traylor was entering his 17th season at the time.  We could've drafted Joe Staley.  We needed offensive line help.  Brady Quinn was not the ONLY pick for the Miami Dolphins at the time.  Brady just happened to be the "sexy" pick.

And what posistion would you say was more pressing though? The Number one position on the team that we have had a hole in for the last 8 years.........or a MLB who we have pretty decent depth at......we did draft Joey Porter at the end of last season.    QB goes beyond Sexy...........I suggest you start reading some more of the posts you just cut and paste. 

[simeon]

  One.  Ginn is not a Kick Returner.  He is not Devin Hester.  Ginn is a Wr who happens to excel at returning kicks.   You guys that keep referring to him as a KR must not have noticed.  He is playing Wr. & catching the football.

Two.  Miami got abused in the '00 season by not having a solid No. 3 Corner.

Yes, but Ginn was drafted for his ability of a kr, not as a wide receiver.

we did draft Joey Porter at the end of last season.   

Hmmm thought he was a free agent, I didnt realize we drafted him.

[Defense54]

  If Ginn turns into a solid No. 2 guys, then I'll be happy.  Its not like teams have not knowingly drafted No. 2 Wr high in the draft. 

Blocking from a Wr is a plus, it has no bearing on being a No. 1.  I want my Wr to catch the balls thrown their way.

What is so special about Quinn?    Some of you guys are talking as if Quinn came into the NFL as the next Manning.

Good Question. It had nothing to do with Quinn or Ginn for me.  Its the fact that our brand new Head coach at the time made such a figging Leap on his first pick. It brought back flashes of Dave Wannbe and Eddie Moore.  I wanted to throw up.  Its like.........why can't Miami ever just go with the flow? Pick the popular pick just once. Out of the box HAS NOT served as well.  We are were we are because of our drafting. 

Valid Question. Too me it wasn't about Quinn or Ginn. Its the fact that our brand new head coach would take such a chance on his first pick.  It just brought back the Horror of the E

[Defense54]

  I watched this kid play lots of football over his 4 years at Notre Dame University.  Brady displayed leadership skills on and off the field, intelligence,  great work ethic,  a strong arm, accuracy ( he made bad throws, as do all qbs), moved around the pocket pretty well etc.  Quinn has all the TOOLS and the CHARISMA to play in the city where the great Dan Marino played.  He played all 4 years at Notre Dame and improved each year.  It is my opinion that he will be an outstanding NFL QB.  If you disagree, that is fine.  That is what makes for good football discussions.
   BTW,  I am not a Notre Dame fan by any means!!!!

You put him on a team were he has a chance to start and he's gonna excel. Miami would have been perfect for him.

[TEKGOD]

  I've ask this time & time again.  Since when do Qbs who are franchises type QB available at No. 9?   & end up getting drafted at No. 22?  Quinn's draft position tells me one thing.  NFL teams had major concerns about him.

I do not get the people saying Miami should have drafted Quinn simply because they needed a QB.  What about Beck who was drafted only 18 picks lower in the draft?

This is about logic. You are in the need of a cornerstone for the franchise, most successful organizations build around a QB. Maybe Quinn is not a world beater, but you justify passing up a potential franchise QB for a specialist? An injured one at that? Ginn would have been nice later in the round, a steal in the 2nd, but MIA that year needed an anchor at QB in the worst way. I know you bring up Beck, but to reiterate about the Mormon he's too old for a rookie, unproven, & doesn't have the upside that Quinn has.