Tim Tebow is garbage.

[Phishfan]

then is the best player in his sport

I thought your position that you have been so proud to state many times was that you weren't calling Tebow great. This statement is way past calling him great.

[EKnight]

Why don't you quote my whole sentence? In the fourth quarter he has the highest QB rating. Don't cherry pick and only pull half a sentence. I didn't create his stats or the way they are evaluated. It is what it is. -EK

[Phishfan]

^^^ I didn't quote your whole sentence just as you ignored Tebows stats for the first three quarters, if you can pcik and choose, so can I.

[EKnight]

How am I ignoring them? If I say he's the best player in the league, I'm ignoring them. If I sy he's the best player in the fourth quarter, and that makes him an overall top ten guy, by it's very essence I've taken his entire game into account. -EK

[Phishfan]

That is delusional. By saying he is the greatest fourth quarter player in the game you account for the entire game? That is some spin that can get you working for a politician as a PR guy. It sounds good, but I'm not buying into it.

[EKnight]

Can you not read? When did I say he's the best player in the league? I said- for the hundredth time- his outstanding fourth quarter play makes him about the tenth best qb in the league. Where's this number one shit coming from? As with most of the people who dislike Tebow, you're not even responding to what I said. You're responding to something you think I said or something you want to fit your argument. Where- show me please- have I said he's the best qb in the league? Where have I said ANYTHING other than "about tenth???" -EK

[Spider-Dan]

So, I'm guessing by your logic, LBJ is severely overrated because he doesn't perform well throughout the entire game right?

You seem to have gotten our positions confused.

YOU are the one who wants to ignore parts of the game to fit his worldview.  I am 100% in favor of evaluating entire games, which means:

- for LBJ, best player in the league for 3 quarters and a mediocre player for the 4th makes him a top 5 player
- for Tebow, near-worst player in the league for 3 quarters and an awesome 4th makes him mediocre

Would you rather have a guy who is great 3/4 of the game and then disappears in the final quarter, putting his team in a position to lose, or a guy who plays poorly 3/4 of the game and then is the best player in his sport (and don't even try to say he isn't- the numbers don't lie) in the fourth, putting his team in a position to win?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  You are succumbing to the media fallacy that the 4th quarter is somehow more important than the others.

Would you care to discuss Aaron Rodgers 4th quarter performances this year?  Hell, would you like to discuss them over his career?  Here is a good primer.  But here's the thing: when you do your job in the first three quarters, you don't need 4th quarter heroics to win!

The two biggest stories in the NFL this year are the Packers and Tebow, but ESPN, the NFL, every media outlet, and every sportscaster must ALL be wrong and you guys must be right.

Who is saying Tebow isn't a big story?  Stop inventing strawmen.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you rank Tebow above Rivers and Moore when his passer rating is worse.

[bsmooth]

Can you not read? When did I say he's the best player in the league? I said- for the hundredth time- his outstanding fourth quarter play makes him about the tenth best qb in the league. Where's this number one shit coming from? As with most of the people who dislike Tebow, you're not even responding to what I said. You're responding to something you think I said or something you want to fit your argument. Where- show me please- have I said he's the best qb in the league? Where have I said ANYTHING other than "about tenth???" -EK

Well earlier in this thread you did call him a one-in-a-million talent. That would make him one of the best players in the league.

[shamrock]

Great story!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-carpenter_tim_tebow_alex_smith_draft_broncos_121411

[CF DolFan]

^^^^ That was a great read. I'm sure it will get torn apart but it shows that people really do not know Tebow and his relationship with his team. Everyone thinks Tebow is preaching all day and doesn't have time to earn the respect and confidence that his teammates give him. Obviously that isn't true.

[MikeO]

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tebow/1374394

From SNL last night. Jesus explains why the Broncos are winning!

[fyo]

I sincerely hope the Tebow nonsense continues unabated for another week!

Realistically, though, I think the spread (7.5 points) is probably way low on this game. I fully expect the Patriots to crush the Broncos. New England's defense is pretty bad, but Belichick should be able to scheme his way out of it and shut down the run.

[MikeO]

I sincerely hope the Tebow nonsense continues unabated for another week!

Realistically, though, I think the spread (7.5 points) is probably way low on this game. I fully expect the Patriots to crush the Broncos. New England's defense is pretty bad, but Belichick should be able to scheme his way out of it and shut down the run.

These are the type of games NE lives for. Like the Jets game last year, when everyone thought the Jets were the "it" team and had all the hype and NE put up like 50+ on them.

Same type of game. Denver has the headlines. Denver has the hype, NE will feed off of it and probably crush them. Hope I am wrong though.

[fyo]

Holy crap.

That was a nice touchdown by Tebow... (And more than just a few Patsies on that drive really need to start making tackles -- that was like watching the Dolphins D in the first half of the season).

[EKnight]

Denver is going to kill the Pats today. NE defense can't stop anyone. Tebow will have his best day as a pro, and the haters will find something to hate.    -EK

Edit- FYI- got that in when it was still 7-6 Pats. It's 13-7 Denver now.