It's official: Hillary vs. Trump

[pondwater]

You're both trying to blame the Khans and the media when the plain and simple fact is that this was yet another unforced error by Trump.

When the GOP trotted out the mother of Sean Smith (who died in Benghazi) to personally blame Hillary Clinton for the death of her son, there is a very straightforward course of action in response: say nothing and move on.  Hillary didn't immediately start attacking that grieving mother because that is a transparently stupid choice.  Just say NOTHING and move on.

But Trump can't say nothing.  He HAS to respond with a counterattack; his fragile ego demands it.  This is yet another reason why he would be a terrible President.

There's a difference. Hillary was involved and she personally blamed Hillary. There is nothing Hillary could have said. Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this guy's sons death, but yet he was brought into the conversation for no reason whatsoever.

[CF DolFan]

You're both trying to blame the Khans and the media when the plain and simple fact is that this was yet another unforced error by Trump.

When the GOP trotted out the mother of Sean Smith (who died in Benghazi) to personally blame Hillary Clinton for the death of her son, there is a very straightforward course of action in response: say nothing and move on.  Hillary didn't immediately start attacking that grieving mother because that is a transparently stupid choice.  Just say NOTHING and move on.

But Trump can't say nothing.  He HAS to respond with a counterattack; his fragile ego demands it.  This is yet another reason why he would be a terrible President.

But she was responsible as well as lying about it afterwards to blame it on a movie. She is directly involved. Trump had nothing to do with is son serving or dying.

Trump is immature when dealing with people. i won't say he's not smart because he has time and time again proved critics wrong. I just find the coverage of the two candidates completely different by most media.

Hillary's email scandal and the media looks at who to blame for doing it rather than what is in the emails, or the lies etc. It's absolutely crazy how much about her gets ignored while Trump gets attacked for everything.

I'll also admit that I think Trump has no chance to win. I think the media picks the winners more than anything else and until they decide a conservative story is more interesting then we will be stuck with repulsive people like Hillary and Trump.

[Spider-Dan]

There's a difference. Hillary was involved and she personally blamed Hillary. There is nothing Hillary could have said.

Oh, there's definitely something Hillary could have said; for example, Hillary could have said that the people who were personally responsible were the people that actually killed Sean Smith.

But Hillary chose not to respond, because counterattacking the grieving parent of a person who died in the service of this country is (rather obviously) a childishly stupid move.  Political campaigns have lustful dreams just hoping their opponent would take such bait.

[Sunstroke]

Trump is immature when dealing with people.

I might invite you to take a look at the job description for POTUS...because "dealing with people" is pretty much the job.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

No one is forced to serve and Trump doesn't have to either.  We all get the same freedoms regardless.

Not completely accurate.  While there is no draft now.  Not true when Trump got a medical deferment to avoid Vietnam. (That same war in which McCain was a POW and hence not a hero in the eyes of Trump.) It was a bone spur in his foot, but he couldn't say which foot when asked.  

The potential first husband got a lot of critisism for his avoidance of the Vietnam war draft.  Donald Trump has been largely immune.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

but yet he was brought into the conversation for no reason whatsoever.

Actually he was brought in for a very specific reason.  To counter balance Trump's xenophopia towards Muslims and point out there are Muslims in our military dying for this country.

[DaLittle B]

America loves stupid,and I'll never under estimate America's stupidity,especially for the stupid.   Both sides IMO can take that as a slight.I don't really care...It's just how I feel

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

America loves stupid,and I'll never under estimate America's stupidity,especially for the stupid.   Both sides IMO can take that as a slight.I don't really care...It's just how I feel

Donald Trump may very well be the least qualified person to ever get nominated by a major party.  Hell, I would take a moron like Sara Palin over him.   

[CF DolFan]

Actually he was brought in for a very specific reason.  To counter balance Trump's xenophopia towards Muslims and point out there are Muslims in our military dying for this country.

And if had stopped with that it would have been fine. Trump would be the only person I see with egg on his face.

[Spider-Dan]

Seems like VFW agrees that Gold Star families have, indeed, sacrificed a great deal for this country:

VFW Supports Gold Star Families
To ridicule a Gold Star Mother is out-of-bounds

August 01, 2016

WASHINGTON — Presidential candidate Donald J. Trump has a history of lashing out after being attacked, but to ridicule a Gold Star Mother is out-of-bounds, said the new national commander of the near 1.7 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States and its Auxiliary.

“Election year or not, the VFW will not tolerate anyone berating a Gold Star family member for exercising his or her right of speech or expression,” said Brian Duffy, of Louisville, Ky., who was elected July 27 to lead the nation’s oldest and largest major war veterans organization.

“There are certain sacrosanct subjects that no amount of wordsmithing can repair once crossed,” he said. “Giving one’s life to nation is the greatest sacrifice, followed closely by all Gold Star families, who have a right to make their voices heard.”

Once again, organizations from all across the political spectrum - left, right, and non-partisan - come together to agree that Trump's statements are outrageous and unacceptable.  But I'm sure we will continue to hear apologists making excuses for him, because their team selected him as captain this time.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Once again, organizations from all across the political spectrum - left, right, and non-partisan -

Spider we all know that VFW is a left leaning organization.   

Seriously, when you have folks like Sally Bradshaw announcing they will vote for Hillary over this is, it is a big issue. 

[Spider-Dan]

I recently saw this article which said that Trump should insist that Gary Johnson (Libertarian) and Jill Stein (Green) be included in the debates, and I could not agree more.

Insisting that Johnson and Stein (especially Stein!) are included is all upside and no downside for Trump: Stein will do nothing but attack Hillary, Johnson will do the exact same "If I avoid engaging Trump I can pick up the moderate conservative vote" nonsense that caused every other GOP primary candidate to lose, and Hillary will spend all her time defending herself from Stein while trying to squeeze in attacks on Trump that will be lost in the media frenzy over Determined Warrior Jill Stein.  Plus, we've already seen that Trump does best when there's chaos between multiple candidates on stage attacking each other; he's never had to defend himself one-on-one, and he consistently steps on rakes in one-on-one interviews, to say nothing of a one-on-one debate.

And if Hillary raises any objection to including Johnson or Stein, even better for Trump: he can say that she's trying to rig the election against third-parties and refuse to participate.

This is so perfect for Trump that I would be willing to bet money that it happens.  (Roger Stone, the man who tweeted the idea, is a high-level Trump surrogate, so Trump will definitely be aware of all this.)

[pondwater]

I recently saw this article which said that Trump should insist that Gary Johnson (Libertarian) and Jill Stein (Green) be included in the debates, and I could not agree more.

Insisting that Johnson and Stein (especially Stein!) are included is all upside and no downside for Trump: Stein will do nothing but attack Hillary, Johnson will do the exact same "If I avoid engaging Trump I can pick up the moderate conservative vote" nonsense that caused every other GOP primary candidate to lose, and Hillary will spend all her time defending herself from Stein while trying to squeeze in attacks on Trump that will be lost in the media frenzy over Determined Warrior Jill Stein.  Plus, we've already seen that Trump does best when there's chaos between multiple candidates on stage attacking each other; he's never had to defend himself one-on-one, and he consistently steps on rakes in one-on-one interviews, to say nothing of a one-on-one debate.

And if Hillary raises any objection to including Johnson or Stein, even better for Trump: he can say that she's trying to rig the election against third-parties and refuse to participate.

This is so perfect for Trump that I would be willing to bet money that it happens.  (Roger Stone, the man who tweeted the idea, is a high-level Trump surrogate, so Trump will definitely be aware of all this.)

They should be included. At this point in the election all candidates should always be included. Up until the actuall election, everyone should be treated 100% equal. Otherwise it is a rigged election process, as we saw with the way Bernie was cheated.

[Cathal]

First off when the Dad said "that his Muslim family had made the ultimate sacrifice for our country, and that Trump had sacrificed nothing" with all due respect ... he was being an arrogant prick who is trying to live off his dead sons honor. His family didn't sacrifice ... his son did. He did it on his own accord and many of us are thankful for him and others like him.  His family suffers the consequences of his decision to serve but they made no sacrifice for this country.

I'm one of the first to support our military and if his family wants to honor him by telling his story that's awesome but don't pretend you deserve the same honor and that someone else doesn't. That's complete BS and propaganda for the weak. No one is forced to serve and Trump doesn't have to either.  We all get the same freedoms regardless.

The worst part of this whole story is how the liberal Media is treating it so they can deflect form all of hillary's controversies. Just like they made Trayvon and Michael Brown martyrs for no reason ... they are doing the same to this man so they can avoid asking Hillary why 75% of the US thinks she should be charged.  He's a name caller no better than the person he is attacking but has turned into a hero all due to deflection. 

Wow.... I always wonder how people can just defend Donald Trump and then, it just happens. I literally cannot understand how his supports can do nothing but not care about what he says or does. The guy is completely clueless and would be a complete disaster as President.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

They should be included.

All?  1,817 candidates have filed an intention to run with the EC.

A good case can be made for including Johnson.  He is on the ballot in all 50 states.  Stein is on the ballot in less than half.  If you include her why not Darrel Castle he is on almost as many ballots as she is?