It's official: Hillary vs. Trump

[Dave Gray]

You do understand that is not a realistic expectation?

Yes, very much so.

I've never seen a candidate actually suggest it, but if we're talking ideal scenarios....

[Fau Teixeira]

i'm really surprised about CF's stance:

First off when the Dad said "that his Muslim family had made the ultimate sacrifice for our country, and that Trump had sacrificed nothing" with all due respect ... he was being an arrogant prick who is trying to live off his dead sons honor. His family didn't sacrifice ... his son did.  

out of curiosity .. does that stance extend to spouses of slain soldiers .. or children of dead soldiers? Or is it just dad's that can't be influenced by the death of their child.

So the Wife or child of a slain soldier are being arrogant pricks when they see their husband/father's sacrifice as agent of and reason for change.

The fact that they immigrated from a country and are of a religion that Trump specifically wants to exclude from this country and then they turn around and sacrifice as much as any parent or soldier ever has for this country speaks something about the absurd position Trump wants to put us all in.

[Spider-Dan]

All?  1,817 candidates have filed an intention to run with the EC.

A good case can be made for including Johnson.  He is on the ballot in all 50 states.  Stein is on the ballot in less than half.  If you include her why not Darrel Castle he is on almost as many ballots as she is?

It seems to me that this year's Republican primary is the shining example of why NOT to let your debate stage become a circus.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Johnson in the debate would be interesting:  

The question is what is his debate strategy. Does he aim his sites at Hillary and make a case to the "Bernie or Bust" wing of the democratic party?  Or does he take his aim at Trump and offer himself as the a viable option to the large number of Republican's who don't like Trump.  

If I was in his shoes, I would marginalize Trump, call him unfit to be President, and make his theme of the debate "you need to choose between me and Hillary" and attempt to make it a two person race.  

No matter the outcome of the election the DNC will continue to exist.  But this election if things go well for Johnson could change the two party system from DNC vs RNC to DNC vs Libertarian Party. Even before Trump arrived on the scene a large portion of the republican voters were more aligned politically with the libertarian party than the RNC.  Socially Liberal/Fiscally Conservative Republicans for whom LGBT, abortion etc isn't a driving factor in how they vote but choose R because of guns or tax policy.  

I know plenty of "republicans" who are more aligned with the Libertarian platform than the RNC one.  

And what about the hardcore hard right, Trump isn't there candidate anyway.  He is pro-choice (but opposes federal funding of planned parenthood, no different than Johnson).  He supports LBGT rights and is generally not in agreement with the hardright on the hot button issues.  Granted Johnson isn't either.  But if Johnson can portray himself as the sane alternative Hillary's liberal agenda, while sucking the life out of the Trump campaign he could have his party replace the RNC as one of the two major parties, relegating the RNC to third party status.    

[masterfins]

I find it very cynical that Trump received the huge backlash over the Khan Family fiasco, when certain Democratic supporters were burning the U.S. Flag outside their convention AND booing a MOH recipient that was speaking inside at the DNC convention.

[Spider-Dan]

I find it very cynical that Trump received the huge backlash over the Khan Family fiasco, when certain Democratic supporters were burning the U.S. Flag outside their convention AND booing a MOH recipient that was speaking inside at the DNC convention.

Those "Democratic supporters" weren't running for President.
Trump is.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I find it very cynical that Trump received the huge backlash over the Khan Family fiasco, when certain Democratic supporters were burning the U.S. Flag outside their convention AND booing a MOH recipient that was speaking inside at the DNC convention.

The bold is the difference.  

I, a democrat, who am voting for Hillary can make outrageous comments, disrespect Veterans, or even burn an American flag and it would not in any way reflect on Mrs. Clinton's ability to serve as our country's leader, unless Hillary endorsed such behavior.  Clinton is not responsible for every nut job that prefers her to Trump.  Just as Trump is not responsible for every nut job that supports him.  However, if affirms to the nut jobs than that is on him.  

It is absolutely not a double standard to hold the candidates themselves to a different standard than the people who support them.  

[Spider-Dan]

Wow.... I always wonder how people can just defend Donald Trump and then, it just happens. I literally cannot understand how his supports can do nothing but not care about what he says or does.

A few years from now, I think there are going to be a lot of people who insist that they were never on board with Trump and they opposed him from the start.  The rewriting of history will be as swift as it is thorough.

Right now, you have Congressional leaders of the Republican Party who state publicly that Trump's various positions are racist, unconstitutional, and at odds with the fundamental values of this country... but they can't let the Democrat Party win, so they're pulling the lever for Trump.  It's naked political cynicism.

[pondwater]

A few years from now, I think there are going to be a lot of people who insist that they were never on board with Trump and they opposed him from the start.  The rewriting of history will be as swift as it is thorough.

Make no mistake, I'm not pro Trump. However, I'm very anti Hillary.

Right now, you have Congressional leaders of the Republican Party who state publicly that Trump's various positions are racist, unconstitutional, and at odds with the fundamental values of this country... but they can't let the Democrat Party win, so they're pulling the lever for Trump.  It's naked political cynicism.

That's insanely hypocritical. It's no different than Bernie calling Hillary unqualified to be POTUS and then turning around and supporting her. No different than Obama ads saying "Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything, and change nothing. It’s time to turn the page". But now he supports her. Wow Barack, what kind of people do you support?

[Spider-Dan]

Make no mistake, I'm not pro Trump. However, I'm very anti Hillary.

If you want Trump to win, you are pro-Trump.  Own your position.
 

That's insanely hypocritical. It's no different than Bernie calling Hillary unqualified to be POTUS and then turning around and supporting her.

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are not currently running against Donald Trump; their criticisms of him are not the normal back-and-forth of a contested primary, but simply other Republican Party members trying to control the damage.

This is not even remotely similar to Obama or Bernie (or Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush) criticizing their opponent during (<--- this part is important) a primary.  The proper analogy would be Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid issuing a press release in 2008 that Barack Obama's statements were racist and/or unconstitutional, and that they disavow them... but they'll be voting for him anyway.

[Spider-Dan]

So far today, Trump has kicked a crying baby out of his rally and, when a vet presented him with a Purple Heart medal as a gift, said, "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier."

However, the day is not yet over!  Trump has yet to attack, degrade, or otherwise insult apple pie, baseball, or puppies.  So stay tuned.

[CF DolFan]

i'm really surprised about CF's stance:

out of curiosity .. does that stance extend to spouses of slain soldiers .. or children of dead soldiers? Or is it just dad's that can't be influenced by the death of their child.

So the Wife or child of a slain soldier are being arrogant pricks when they see their husband/father's sacrifice as agent of and reason for change.

The fact that they immigrated from a country and are of a religion that Trump specifically wants to exclude from this country and then they turn around and sacrifice as much as any parent or soldier ever has for this country speaks something about the absurd position Trump wants to put us all in.

I'm just a little over sensitive to the whole "hero" type things these days.  We use words like that so much they have lost their value.

I don't think many people voting for Trump are doing it for him. They are doing it because they feel alternative is worse. I know Stroke pointed out being president is dealing wiht people but it's not the same. Trump is a businessman and a very successful one. Before someone throws in his bankruptcies how about the 100s of times he didn't file bankruptcy and those businesses are booming? Trump likes to talk trash n the street but face to face he is fair and deals accordingly. That's what everyone says that deals with him so that's what I'm counting on.

Like I mentioned previously ... I'm a big Rubio fan but he lost. In my opinion I can't let that affect the Supreme Court nominees so unless I actually did buy into the fact that I think he would destroy the country I could never vote for a criminal like Hillary. It isn't like he can make it any more divisive than it has gotten in recent years.

[pondwater]

If you want Trump to win, you are pro-Trump.  Own your position.
 Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are not currently running against Donald Trump; their criticisms of him are not the normal back-and-forth of a contested primary, but simply other Republican Party members trying to control the damage.

This is not even remotely similar to Obama or Bernie (or Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush) criticizing their opponent during (<--- this part is important) a primary.  The proper analogy would be Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid issuing a press release in 2008 that Barack Obama's statements were racist and/or unconstitutional, and that they disavow them... but they'll be voting for him anyway.

It's the same thing. Criticizing someone and then supporting them when you just want your party to win.

[CF DolFan]

The CEO of the DNC just quit because of the email scandal. Maybe we will see a blip on the news tonight when they show that she went to work on Hillary's staff and are done crucifying Trump.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The CEO of the DNC just quit because of the email scandal. Maybe we will see a blip on the news tonight when they show that she went to work on Hillary's staff and are done crucifying Trump.

It is the lead story on cnn.com so stop pretending the media hasn't covered this story in detail and only focuses on Trumps problems.