It's official: Hillary vs. Trump

[CF DolFan]

Trump suggested today that if he were to lose the election the recourse his followers would have would be to assassinate hillary.

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WOW! Do you really believe that? 

Spider to answer your question. No, I would not vote for Bernie Sanders. He's a quack in my opinion. But if the Democrats put up someone more credible I could see myself voting for them. Someone from the Blue Dog Coalition maybe?  Joe Biden would have even been a better option.

[Phishfan]

Trump suggested today that if he were to lose the election the recourse his followers would have would be to assassinate hillary.

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Listen, I've detested the things Trump says since before he was a politician but this is not what he said and you and others trying to make this into something when there are real things out there does not help the cause. Don't try to create things when there is so much already out there.

[Fau Teixeira]

OK lets cut the crap right here, I heard what he said,  I didn't read a report about what he said, I listened with my own ears.

He said and I quote:

If she gets to pick her judges ― nothing you can do, folks,
Although, the Second Amendment people. Maybe there is. I don’t know.

Don't give me any bullshit about what he's saying.

last i checked the 2nd ammendment isn't about voting or protesting or any of that. It's about owning guns.

If no-one can do anything about Hillary or about Judges she nominates except maybe people with guns, then what is your conclusion about what he's saying?

It's obvious to me what he's saying .. and the reason this IS something is because you have a guy telling his followers that if they hillary gets elected, they should let the guys with guns fix it.

and CF, yes i exactly believe that is what Trump was saying. Guns do one thing .. and that's kill stuff, they serve no other purpose. So if they're gonna fix hillary with guns they are talking about assassination.

[Phishfan]

last i checked the 2nd ammendment isn't about voting

Then you don't live in the modern world. Give it a break, we all know the quote and anyone taking where you are is instigating. Trump is a buffoon but he was not suggesting violence. He doesn't think and didn't use his "best words".

Guns do one thing .. and that's kill stuff, they serve no other purpose.

So incorrect. Your statement here is biased and so incorrect. Are you even aware of the competitions at the Olympics?

[Fau Teixeira]

And not for nothing .. but Al Baldasaro (Trumps current adviser on veterans affairs)  said this last month:

Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason

or maybe he wasn't suggesting that the kill Hillary there either. and I'm way off base.

[Fau Teixeira]

Then you don't live in the modern world. Give it a break, we all know the quote and anyone taking where you are is instigating. Trump is a buffoon but he was not suggesting violence. He doesn't think and didn't use his "best words".

You know .. i understand where you're coming from .. It's such an abhorrent and irresponsible thought that you can't even relate to Trump for making the comment. Your instinct is to say "woah woah woah .. he can't possibly be saying what he is .. he must just have mis-spoken"  I get it and it does you credit as a human being.

Unfortunately you are being naive. 

Nothing in this man's history or in his campaign so far makes me think that what he said isn't exactly what he's trying to get across to his base.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Then you don't live in the modern world. Give it a break, we all know the quote and anyone taking where you are is instigating. Trump is a buffoon but he was not suggesting violence. He doesn't think and didn't use his "best words".

Maybe I would buy that if he had not suggested violence in the past.  If he had not offered to pay the legal bills of his supports who beat up peaceful protesters. If he had not said, "I'd like to punch him in the face."  If he hadn't said, “I think if this country gets any kinder or gentler, it’s literally going to cease to exist.”  Then maybe I would believe that it was a poorly worded call to get people to the polls.  But he has gone too far too many times to get the benefit of the doubt.

[Spider-Dan]

But if the Democrats put up someone more credible I could see myself voting for them. Someone from the Blue Dog Coalition maybe?

You mean the Blue Dog Coalition of self-identifying conservative Democrats?  Seems like your primary problem with the Democrats is that they keep nominating liberals, not that their candidates are somehow remarkably dishonest or not credible.

Biden wouldn't beat Hillary, Bernie, or even Elizabeth Warren in the primary, in any reasonable version of reality.  Biden wasn't even close to competing wiith Hillary or Obama in 2008.  Anyone to the right of Biden - your Jim Webbs, your Joe Manchins, any Blue Dog - are the equivalent of me saying, "If only the GOP would nominate Susan Collins for President, then maybe I could consider voting for them."

[Spider-Dan]

Give it a break, we all know the quote and anyone taking where you are is instigating.

Trump spokesperson Katrina Pierson on the "Second Amendment people" quote (emphasis added):

“He was saying what could happen, as you said, what could happen,” she told Jake Tapper on “The Lead” after he pointed out that Trump specifically referred to events after the election.

“He doesn’t want that to happen,” Pierson said. “And in order to stop that, people that support their Second Amendment rights need to come together and get out there and stop Hillary Clinton from winning in November.”

So, Phishfan, if the reasonable* viewer would never think that Trump was talking about Hillary being assassinated if she wins, what is the event that Katrina was referring to... the thing involving "Second Amendment people" that "could happen" AFTER the election but that Trump "does not want to happen"?

*note: I feel compelled to point out that "reasonable people" would not assassinate politicians in the first place.  I'm not worried about "reasonable people" shooting politicians and starting an armed revolt because Trump told them the election was rigged and they have to defend the Second Amendment.  I'm worried about the unhinged lunatics that Trump is driving into a frenzy.

[pondwater]

He didn't ask or tell anyone to kill or assassinate anyone. He used simple words that could be interpreted 1000s of different ways. Anyone can assume anything about what they think he meant? It doesn't even matter, it's just more liberal shenanigans. Trump clarified his statement and said what he meant. If people want to think that he said something different, even after he has already clarified himself, then that reflects on them and their stupidity as a person.

The same thing happened a week or two ago with Hillary had to clairify her. " we are going to raise taxes on the middle class."  The right blew it out of proportion, just like the left is blowing this out of proportion. More silly games!

[Spider-Dan]

So Hillary was unclear as to whether she was going to raise taxes on the middle class, and Trump was unclear as to whether someone should assassinate his Presidential campaign opponent if she wins.

Both sides do it!

[CF DolFan]

So now Wikileaks is offering a reward for information leading to the arrest of whoever shot DNC staffer Seth Rich ... who apparently was the DNC leak.  I guess Hillary had nothing to do with that either even though the leaks go directly after her. Turn your back on the 50 plus Clinton death list members and pretend she is a good person while berating Trump for making bad jokes about death? Haha ... that can't be easy to do is it?

[Spider-Dan]

The Clinton Body Count makes its illustrious return!  Shall we proceed directly to Vince Foster, or is that more of an October discussion?

It is also interesting that what was a "hack" last week is a "leak" now.

[pondwater]

So Hillary was unclear as to whether she was going to raise taxes on the middle class, and Trump was unclear as to whether someone should assassinate his Presidential campaign opponent if she wins.

Both sides do it!

That's not what I said. You seem to be spinning shit again. He never said assassinate or kill whatsoever. If you heard a secret message, go put on your tin foil hat.

I said that both of their statements were made to be something they weren't by the other party and then were subsequently clarified by them. So yes, both sides do it. Meaning, blowing shit that doesn't matter out of proportion. Just like you are doing. You should stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Fau Teixeira]

i had forgotten about the clinton death squads. They're comprised of jason Bourne style hit men. The fact that there's no proof is in itself proof that they are just that good.  That and the liberal media knows all about the Bourne squads and just refuses to report on them.

It's getting to the point that Hillary will literally be compared to Emperor Palpatine and uses the dark side of the force to kill DNC leaks.