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« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2017, 02:03:23 pm »

Have fun at the next Klan meeting. The fact you can't see the terms you are using such as "whitey" and "hoodlums" are code words for a racist I don't know what to tell you.

Good day!
Klan meeting? I don't condone that group.

I am whitey! Whitey is a white person. Am I racist towards myself?

Hoodlum
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a person who engages in crime and violence; a hooligan or gangster


Not sure how that term is racist. It can apply to any color person in the world. That fact is that BLM has been involved in crime and/or violence. That's not debatable, it's a fact. The thing that's funny is that anything said derogatory about a black person is met with the race card, even if it's 100% true. If you call a black criminal a criminal, you're racist. I guess black people are perfect and beyond reproach. Silly world we live in. Are there black hoodlums in the country? Serious question.
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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2017, 08:56:35 am »

Basically, lets bother Whitey until they give us what want.

Basically, what they want is for "Whitey" law enforcement officials to stop shooting them dead in the streets.

Like I said earlier, if they want an  audience on TV during an NFL game. Then they should pay the same going rate as the advertisers pay.

Rather than just pointing out how ridiculous this comment is, I'd ask:

1) What is the going rate for asking people not to kill you? Prime-time and off-schedule.
2) If a bunch of black people showed up on a commercial imploring you to "Please stop killing us!," would you be more likely to pay attention? Would you be less likely to whine about their protest?

But instead we get grown up children with an entitlement mindset who want to throw a passive agressive tantrum to the very people that support their vastly overpaid salary and don't give a shit about their political opinions. 

I think it's fair to say that your posts on this topic come much closer to the definition of "passive aggressive tantrum" than anything the players are doing.

Also, and again, their political opinion is that they shouldn't be shot dead in the streets so darned much...


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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2017, 09:19:51 am »

I'd take it more seriously if

1) there wasn't riots in the streets for obvious criminals
2) They act like they cared about inner city kids killing each other at a much, much higher rate.

As it is the protesting comes off more as an attack against "the man" and less to do with caring about black lives. I mean they don't even want to compromise with "All Lives Matter".
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2017, 02:40:25 pm »

Basically, what they want is for "Whitey" law enforcement officials to stop shooting them dead in the streets.
No one is shooting NFL players dead in the streets. And if you're talking about blacks being shot dead in the streets. Go look at the official stats. Look up the number of unarmed blacks shot dead in the street yearly and compare that to the total number of blacks in the country. And then compare that to the number of people in the US struck by lightning. Lightning strikes are rare, yet more people die from lightning strikes than unarmed blacks killed by law enforcement. 

So it is statistically insignificant and NOT an epidemic like they would lead you to believe. The numbers don't lie. Not to mention that I'm sure that there are black law enforcement officers that have killed unarmed black suspects . Also, it  seems that many of the cops acquitted have had plenty of blacks on the juries that acquitted them. 

Rather than just pointing out how ridiculous this comment is, I'd ask:

1) What is the going rate for asking people not to kill you? Prime-time and off-schedule.
Again, no one is killing NFL players or anyone else in mass proportions in relation to population levels. The only difference is the unbalanced media coverage of blacks killed vs others killed in order to portray a false narrative.

2) If a bunch of black people showed up on a commercial imploring you to "Please stop killing us!," would you be more likely to pay attention
No, I wouldn't pay more attention and neither would most of the NFL fan base. So if no one cares, what's kneeling going to solve other than pissing people off?
 
Would you be less likely to whine about their protest?
I can assure you that I'm not whining about anything. I'm just stating my opinions in a thread dedicated to the subject. A thread that I didn't start, might I add. My life isn't going to change one way or the other and I won't lose any sleep over it. It's all just silly non sense to me.

I think it's fair to say that your posts on this topic come much closer to the definition of "passive aggressive tantrum" than anything the players are doing.
Don't change the subject, it's not about me. This is a forum thread about player protests. I'm giving my opinion about this topic, just like you. If you would like to start a thread about ME, feel free. I could care less what you think of me. To me, you and your opinion are statistically insignificant.

Also, and again, their political opinion is that they shouldn't be shot dead in the streets so darned much...
Well then they should contact their elected officials and local law enforcement and work it out. The NFL isn't a political forum, it's entertainment.
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2017, 02:46:06 pm »

...I could care less what you think of me....

Couldn't care less....

Carry on.
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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2017, 02:53:59 pm »

Couldn't care less....

Carry on.
Well, thank you fine sir. Must be a pet peeve of yours, haha.
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2017, 03:00:37 pm »

Well, thank you fine sir. Must be a pet peeve of yours, haha.

Haha, it really is. Cheesy
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2017, 03:41:09 pm »

I'd take it more seriously if

1) there wasn't riots in the streets for obvious criminals
2) They act like they cared about inner city kids killing each other at a much, much higher rate.
1) "Obvious criminals" who are unarmed do not deserve summary execution.
2) The issue with asking "What about all the black people killed in Chicago?" in discussions about Black Lives Matter and police brutality is that when civilians kill other civilians in the inner city, it is acknowledged that a crime has been committed, for which someone should be arrested, tried, convicted, and go to prison. In contrast, when police kill unarmed black people:

- the prospect of an arrest is unlikely
- the prospect of a trial is remote
- the prospect of a conviction is nearly non-existent

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I mean they don't even want to compromise with "All Lives Matter".
"Black Lives Matter" is a movement demanding justice for black victims of police brutality and an end to racial profiling by law enforcement.
"All Lives Matter" should then logically be expanded to demand justice for ALL victims of police brutality and an end to racial profiling by law enforcement.
Yet the people saying "All Lives Matter" do not believe racial profiling is a problem and think the police violence was justified.

This is why "All Lives Matter" makes no sense as a response.  It is merely an attempt to silence BLM protesters.

But this is all just another example of what I'm talking about.  The people who object to the player protests are really doing so because they don't think the players have a valid reason to protest.  Their outrage over "disrespecting the flag" is based almost entirely on the fact that they believe the outcry is baseless.  It is "statistically insignificant," it is "media hysteria," it is a "false narrative."  If the protest was about something they agreed with - say, how Christians are being persecuted at historic levels in America - you would hear a different tune.
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2017, 04:28:17 pm »

The people who object to the player protests are really doing so because they don't think the players have a valid reason to protest.
They have every right to protest. However, they don't have a right to protest at their place of employment, and they are employed to entertain us. Let them go play in the streets on their off time and if they get ran over, fuck 'em. Let them go get physical with the wrong person on their off time and if they get fucked up, fuck 'em. There are procedures and protocols to deal with issues in this country. Harassing and inconveniencing people that have nothing to do with your problem isn't one of them. Again, the NFL isn't a political platform. It's a damn child's game played for our entertainment. Would it be OK to flash pictures of Jesus across your computer screen while you jack off to your porn?
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2017, 09:46:28 pm »

They have every right to protest. However, they don't have a right to protest at their place of employment,

Say's who? YOU ARE NOT THEIR EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!! Every employer is different. You can get away with things on some jobs that you can't on others. All jobs aren't created equal.

However, they don't have a right to protest at their place of employment, and they are employed to entertain us.   Again, the NFL isn't a political platform. It's a damn child's game played for our entertainment.

So when I go to a Kid Rock or Ted Nugent concert and I am there there for "entertainment" and they are just there to entertain us I don't have to listen to those two idiots preach how they want Obama to suck on a shotgun and wish death to democrats inbetween songs? I mean just shut up and play the music right, they are just there to be our entertainment and its not a political platform? Guessing you don't have a problem with that though and just laugh along with Kid Rock and Ted Nugent cause they agree with you and because they are white like you.
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« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2017, 04:33:07 am »

Say's who? YOU ARE NOT THEIR EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!! Every employer is different. You can get away with things on some jobs that you can't on others. All jobs aren't created equal.
Says me silly guy. If you notice my post has "right" in bold. Just because their employer allows it doesn't make it their right. The employer could just as easily bench people that do it. Furthermore, at the end of the day, the NFL fans are the owners employers in a sense. Piss the majority of them off and it rolls downhill from there. Fans>owners>players. Therefore if they want to maximize their profits, like all companies do, it would be wise not to piss off the people who pay your salary.

So when I go to a Kid Rock or Ted Nugent concert and I am there there for "entertainment" and they are just there to entertain us I don't have to listen to those two idiots preach how they want Obama to suck on a shotgun and wish death to democrats inbetween songs? I mean just shut up and play the music right, they are just there to be our entertainment and its not a political platform? Guessing you don't have a problem with that though and just laugh along with Kid Rock and Ted Nugent cause they agree with you and because they are white like you.
No, I don't agree with all white people. Hey wait, that's racist! Oh yeah, nevermind I don't care. See, It doesn't matter if people say racist things to me, because I don't care. Because I'm not weak and I know that words don't matter.

Anyhow, yes I totally agree with you. I don't listen to Kid Rock or Ted Nugent. I've owned an album or two from them back when each one was relevent in their era. But yeah, entertainers should STFU and do what they are paid to do while on the public stage. If they want to push a social or political agenda they, should do it on their own time. See what happens when you assume things. And to think, we probably actually agree on lots of stuff...
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« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2017, 06:06:22 am »

Furthermore, at the end of the day, the NFL fans are the owners employers in a sense.

No they aren't. Not even close. That's idiotic
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« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2017, 07:13:47 am »

No they aren't. Not even close. That's idiotic
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« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2017, 09:55:02 am »

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Great you found the one outlier.  Roll Eyes

Doesn't change the overall point that for 31 of 32 teams the fans aren't the employers of the players on the team
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« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2017, 10:11:28 am »

Great you found the one outlier.  Roll Eyes

Doesn't change the overall point that for 31 of 32 teams the fans aren't the employers of the players on the team

I know that is great.  Thank you for verifying!
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